[Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Ubuntu help for a business

Art Alexion art.alexion at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 10:31:44 GMT 2008

As I understand it, xen's primary benefit is paravirtualization, which  
you only get if your hardware supports it.

I have no experience with xen, but the performance difference between  
qemu and kvm on the same hardware are dramatic. VMware on that  
hardware performs somewhere in between.


Art Alexion
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On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:36 PM, brent timothy saner  
<brent.saner at gmail.com> wrote:

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> John Back wrote:
>> Bret,
>> In reading over Steve's email I began to wonder why a person  
>> running a
>> business would divert significant time to become the CIO working a
>> solution to run his business using Ubuntu discussion groups.
>> Ubuntu is an excellent product but when one starts to run Windows  
>> based
>> business applications on top of Ubuntu the whole process can be
>> difficult and require countless billable hours to resolve.
>> Steve was already having problems with Windows OS and his business
>> applications. I would posit that adding more layers of complexity
>> including virtualization will have Steve ready to take a very long  
>> vacation.
>> I would put this project in the category of 'No good deed shall go
>> unpunished' and this project will drag Steve over numerous technical
>> hurtles and probably have him bad mouthing Ubuntu for both real and
>> imaged problems.
>> John
> i do concur on the point you have there, john.
> however, virtualisation has a huge merit to it- GNU/Linux, being
> arguably much more stable ;) is an excellent host. if the windows  
> "box"
> (vm) goes down, it's simply a matter of shelling into the host and
> restarting the VM (or, if the error is unrecoverable, copying over one
> of the vm backup images you made ahead of time ;)
> of course there's a learning curve involved, but it's a question of
> whether he thinks the pros outweigh the cons (a learning curve being  
> one
> of them in this instance).
> i do have a suggestion. i've used vmware (for personal AND business
> implementations) and..well, i'm not a fan of their products. i've used
> virtualbox and fell in love immediately. however, vmware typically  
> plays
> with enterprise/corporate environments than vbox does. i think vbox  
> aims
> to be more end-user/home/small business environment.
> that being said, Xen might be an attractive alternative to both. it  
> cuts
> past all the cruft (since, and someone please correct me if this is
> inaccurate, both vmware and vbox use xen as a base) straight to the
> heart of it.
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