[Ubuntu PA] Fwd: [Ubuntu-US] US Teams Mentoring Project IRC Metting

[Jim Fisher]

Sorry for top posting but i feel that both messages
need to be included in tact and didn't want to go to
the bottom to start.

I for one am not going to attend.  Don't want to.  I
have been following this issue on the mailing list and
feel that it only 4 or 5 strong personalities butting
heads.

I choose not to.  I have opinions, which happen to
line up with Lyz's.  I do not feel that we need to
justify our position.

I also believe that each LoCo to a certain extent
should be autonomous.  CoC applies and anything
official from Canonical may supersede a group's
autonomy, but the daily operation should remain the
group's responsibility.

I believe that the group conscience will guide us in
the right direction.  I don't care what other groups
do or want to do.

I feel that attendance will only give validity to the
arguing factions.  If the same 4 or 5 people are the
only ones in the room maybe they'll self-examine and
realize that time could be better spent on other
things, like basic advocacy.

I've got FOSS to promote, no time for bickering.

jim fisher
]edijf

irc freenode  #ubuntu-pennsylvania

"Do, or do not. There is no 'try.'"
  --  Jedi Master Yoda 


--- Elizabeth Bevilacqua <lyz at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> I won't be able to attend (the 29th is my birthday
> and I'll be out!),
> but I want to encourage one or more of us to speak
> up about this.
> 
> First off, the official word from Canonical is that
> they actively
> discourage use of non-trivial amounts money money
> LoCo teams. If money
> becomes a significant issue it's time to re-evaluate
> your groups goals
> and work to get back to the volunteer grassroots.
> 
> Our team abides by these conditions.
> 
> In fact, most of the events we're taking part in
> (such as the work
> with MALT and NTR) are done entirely without money,
> and many of our
> other events are done in collaboration with existing
> groups in the
> area. This team is a glorious example of the way
> LoCo teams can be
> productive, spread Ubuntu and helpful to their
> communities through
> volunteer work that doesn't require the team to file
> for some sort of
> non-profit status (which is a very intensive process
> with mountains of
> paperwork, IRS entanglements and far too many
> expenses).
> 
> So it'd be nice if someone from the team was there
> to represent us and
> possibly inspire other groups, show it's very
> possible to run a LoCo
> team on a very slim budget (pretty much just the
> cost of CDRs and
> printing fliers - both of which the US Team are
> looking for solutions
> to).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Lyz/pleia2, who is a Mentor in the US Teams
> Mentoring project and
> has been in the thick of this whole stressful debate
> over money and
> liability :(
> 
> On 9/12/07, Bret Fledderjohn
> <freelancer317 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > FYI
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Aaron Toponce <aaron.toponce at gmail.com>
> > Date: 12 Sep 2007 10:13
> > Subject: [Ubuntu-US] US Teams Mentoring Project
> IRC Metting
> > To: US LoCo Teams <ubuntu-us at lists.ubuntu.com>,
> "Ubuntu local community team
> > (LoCo) contacts" < loco-contacts at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >
> > The topic for the next IRC meeting for the US
> Teams Mentoring Project is
> > tentatively scheduled for Sept 29th, 16:00 UTC. 
> Keep an eye on this
> > list, and #ubuntu-us for possible changes.  This
> meeting will be held in
> > a fashion similar to Education week, and the CC
> meetings.
> >
> > #ubuntu-us will be moderated during the meeting,
> giving voice only to
> > the mentors of the project, a few key LoCo leaders
> and the person who
> > has a concern.  In order to voice your concern,
> you must include your
> > name/nick and concern on
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/MeetingAgenda.
> >  Those listed on that list will have their concern
> or question addressed
> > in the meeting, and they will be voiced giving
> them a chance to present
> > and argue their points.  The points and concerns
> will be met with open
> > minds, and a willingness to discuss and address
> them in a professional
> > manner.
> >
> > There will be a separate channel,
> #ubuntu-us-discussion, where
> > discussion about the meeting itself will take
> place.  This will be a
> > sacrificial channel, at which when the meeting
> ends, so does
> >  #ubuntu-us-discussion, and all US Teams related
> LoCo chat will continue
> > in #ubuntu-us or #ubuntu-locoteams.
> >
> > Now is the time to weigh in your voice concerning
> tax exemption,
> > financial funding and legal liability concerns. 
> This is a hot topic at
> > the moment, and I would like to see anyone and
> everyone's input on this
> > matter.  Of course, this discussion extends past
> just US Teams, to LoCos
> > in general, as we have seen it on both mailing
> lists.
> >
> > Please forward this mail to your respective LoCo
> mailing lists to get
> > the word out.
> >
> > Until then, let's keep our energy focused on
> building our LoCo team,
> > documentation, member recruiting, community events
> and general LoCo
> > advocacy.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
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