[NYLoCo] Successful Brooklyn Ubuntu Meeting

Sun Oct 7 06:24:45 BST 2007

Ok Zach, I definitely don't want the discussion to turn contentious.

I'll take it from a user-to-user (case by case) basis ... if they can
handle SSH great, if not, not ...

Although, VNC requires port fwd'ing as well, unless you're running
something like Tivoli, and 0.00 newbies know about that....

But I suggest we move on from this topic and treat each newb that
enters the group as a person with unique potential and try to
encourage them in a positive style.

Bossman.

On 10/7/07, Zach Stern <zach at wordrockets.com> wrote:
> No, its not a great way to do that for your average user.
>
> For your average user, VNC is a great way to do that. Nomachine is a great
> way to do that.
>
> SSH/SFTP/SCP is *not* a great way to do that.
>
> I've never met a single non-geek that knows what port forwarding is, which
> is necessary in order to use those services from home for the most part. In
> fact, I've even met one GEEK that didn't know what it is.
>
> I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're wrong.
>
> Its just too complicated for your average user. Period.
>
> Is it an intermediate skill? Maybe. But I know for a fact that my mother
> wouldn't want to learn how to do that, no matter WHAT level you classify it
> as. She wants to use her computer, have it work, and she wants do do
> everything with a *simple* GUI.
>
>
>
> On 10/7/07, Exa Byte <exabyte at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Zach,
> >
> > I agree with your premise, however, often (at least these days) many
> > users have a router at home and work with Laptops at the office and
> > would enjoy the benefit of being able to access their files at home,
> > and SSH is a great way to do that. I agree it's probably an
> > *intermediate* user skill to teach, but I was more thinking out loud
> > about topics, rather than insisting that SSH be forced upon newbies...
> >
> > Perhaps to rephrase, I am looking to foster a guided, nurturing
> > environment of learning for users looking to explore Linux (Ubuntu or
> > others). I never liked running into the Linux Snobs that I have often
> > seen who just piss on anyone asking newbie questions and make RTFM
> > wisecracks... I'm looking to counter that experience with a positive
> > one.
> >
> > As we all agreed at our Brooklyn Gathering @ the KDog, there HAS to be
> > a plethora of Linux users (or those interested in trying it) looking
> > for guidance... that's our niche.
> >
> > Bossman.
> >
> > On 10/7/07, Zach Stern <zach at wordrockets.com> wrote:
> > > The alternate network manager was wicd.
> > > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > They have a .deb repository.
> > >
> > > Again I can't help but disagree with you Exabyte, in that we should NOT
> be
> > > teaching the new users the basics of SSH. Well actually that depends.
> > >
> > > If we're talking about windows power users trying to learn linux that's
> one
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > But for NON-GEEKS, e.g. regular folks who just want to learn to use
> linux as
> > > a regular desktop/laptop OS to surf the web/compose documents/etc.
> teaching
> > > them SSH would be silly, and just further prolong the stereotype of
> linux
> > > being "too hard" or "too complicated". Regular users have no real need
> for
> > > SSH or the command line in any way, shape, or form. They might be able
> to be
> > > more productive with it, but they don't CARE. They want their computers
> to
> > > Just Work (tm).
> > >
> > > -Zach
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/6/07, Exa Byte <exabyte at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I want to thank Zach and Nate and Lovestofail (my apologies I forgot
> > > > your first name! ahh!) for making the Brooklyn Ubuntu LUG meeting a
> > > > success overall -- we all got to know each other a bit and had some
> > > > very nice conversations about GrandCentral and Ubuntu in general.
> > > >
> > > > We found out that Nate likes KDE, while myself, Zach & lovestofail all
> > > > use Gnome. We also all agreed that the network manager that comes with
> > > > ubuntu doesn't work 100% and Zach recommended a replacement, what was
> > > > it Zach?
> > > >
> > > > We also talked about password managers
> > > > ( http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/) for Ubuntu, and
> > > about procuring a
> > > > projector for desktop-wall-displays for future meetings in the Brookly
> > > > public library that's near the KDog Cafe (the main branch of the
> > > > Brooklyn Public Library).
> > > >
> > > > Apparently, the meeting rooms in the Brooklyn Public Library are FREE
> > > > and available to anyone to use, so all we really have to do is call &
> > > > confirm this (which I'll do shortly, or perhaps Nate will do this) and
> > > > we can schedule a future date for another weekend meeting.
> > > >
> > > > We'd set up a projector or perhaps leverage terminal services to log
> > > > into a central ubuntu laptop which would then allow us all to use a
> > > > shared desktop.
> > > >
> > > > The goal would be to RSVP the attendees and query their skillsets so
> > > > we can figure out an appropriate topic to discuss/research live &
> > > > in-person while all looking at the same desktop (I think the projector
> > > > would be the easiest, and I will see if I can get one).
> > > >
> > > > I am most-interested in getting newbies (not noobs, which I think is
> > > > derogatory) who know enough to install Ubuntu, but can't handle all
> > > > the minor issues that come up after an install, or are afraid of
> > > > partitioning and getting them through to a stable & running desktop.
> > > > Also, I'd like to have an opportunity to give them the tools to get
> > > > through basic usage such as reaching windows shares, sharing their own
> > > > ubuntu directories, as well as the basics of SSH and dual booting.
> > > >
> > > > If a mixed group RSVP's (in terms of skillset) we can take the
> > > > newbie-portion aside and the rest and have split gatherings -- it can
> > > > be dynamic, provided we have the venue.
> > > >
> > > > The most important thing is to RSVP via the mail list as we did for
> > > > this gathering and discuss prior to the meeting via the mail list,
> > > > which topics to cover/discuss/research/lecture-about.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all who came (including my buddy Brian who showed up a bit
> > > > late, but nevertheless was interested in coming to a more
> > > > instruction-style meeting in the future).
> > > >
> > > > This coming week I will try to confirm with the library if we can
> > > > indeed show up without a reservation and then we can set the next
> > > > gathering -- I think many are available saturdays, but if anyone is
> > > > interested in doing it sunday instead, please speak up.
> > > >
> > > > Also I am willing to discuss dates for the next meeting! I'd put forth
> > > > next Saturday 10/13 at 1pm (providing we can get a conference room in
> > > > the library).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bossmanbeta.
> > > >
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