<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>I guess above all, i consider myself and advocate for freedom and i feel as though, in some way, being a LoCo locks us in to one OS. Ubuntu may be the best now, but if someone else was better tomorrow, i have no problems switching. Are any of us actually loyal to Ubuntu? I feel many of the members we have are here because we are a great team in the area promoting free software (open source, however you like it), but already share the same sentiments as me. I truly do not like the idea of building this amazing network around one OS. I do not like the idea of being dependent on Canonical, so we have to promote their OS. IS it worth it? I think we should move away from that exclusive nature now rather than later, when it may be harder to do so. </div> <div><br></div><div>Aside from that though, speaking pragmatically, we would open many more opportunities is we were not specific to Ubuntu. I've talked to people who would love to help out, but refuse to preach under the banner of one particular OS. There is an incredible network of people out there who want to help, and maybe use Ubuntu, but aren't interested in our activities around this single OS. </div> <div><br></div><div>Another great thing i think we could work on would be creating a voice for Free Software that doesn't have the (in my opinion mostly wrong) reputation of the FSF to be too extreme. Martin, you wrote a good post on "<a href="http://doctormo.org/2009/08/27/philosophies-of-foss/">Closed source isn't immoral if...</a>" and i think such a document could be extremely useful, and something i could see us working on as a more general team. </div> <div><div><br></div><div>And i forgot to mention, i don't propose we become just another LUG. I think we're better than that =] I don't see us even being GNU+Linux centric, just ideals centric. If something better than the family of Linux based OSs shows up tomorrow, i have no problems switching! As a general Free Software group, we could be promoting a web browser, or an OS; it's flexible. </div> </div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 17:04, Martin Owens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doctormo@gmail.com">doctormo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hey Danny,<br> <br> It's true that the design team has been a bit of a community bully. But<br> we've been having words with them and this will continue into UDS where<br> I'm hoping that their want to get involved with the community will bare<br> fruit.<br> <br> What we'd loose is the ability to ask for Canonical resources, we<br> wouldn't get any pressed disks at all. It might be hard to get people<br> down from the Lexington office, but then again as you say there are<br> bigger offices for other FOSS people and other universities that'd be<br> more interested in non-Ubuntu collaborations.<br> <br> but what we'd gain is the ability to do more events for different FOSS<br> products. I'd also if we went down that path to be more on the FOSS side<br> of things and not so much the FSF or OSI side of things which tends to<br> be brutally inconsiderate of normal users on both accounts.<br> <br> Martin,<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:59 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:<br> > For a while now, i've been thinking about the possibility of ending<br> > our Ubuntu-centricity. The community is Ubuntu's greatest strength,<br> > yet the community isn't being listened to. More importantly though, i<br> > think it is a huge disservice to the greater Free Software (aka Open<br> > Source) ecosystem to have one of the strongest global network of<br> > advocates to be banded around one distribution. I'd like to propose<br> > that we become a general Free Software team, and recommend that the<br> > rest of the LoCo's do the same.<br> ><br> ><br> > I can't even think of any pros to being an Ubuntu-only team. Having<br> > one OS to promote may make certain advocacy easier, but there's no<br> > reason why a general team couldn't make the decision to primarily<br> > support Ubuntu in most cases. As an official LoCo, we get freebies<br> > from Canonical, but i don't think this is a very big deal. We can make<br> > our own CDs and i'm sure if we were doing worthy projects, Canonical<br> > would still be willing to provide us with CDs, as it would be in their<br> > interest.<br> ><br> ><br> > Now, a few of the cons:<br> > * Lack of community input for major decisions and arrogance<br> > among those in charge<br> > * Lack of support for educational events, and it's not hard to<br> > see why since Canonical may endanger their own educational<br> > services revenue if they helped out more.<br> > * Alienate the many many non-Ubuntu members of the Free Software<br> > community<br> > * Being exclusive to Ubuntu makes it hard to reach out to a<br> > wider audience of people with varying levels of interest from<br> > beginners to hardcore computer people<br> > * We're doing a disservice to the rest of the community by only<br> > acknowledging one free desktop OS<br> > I think what we are united around, more so than an OS which, to be<br> > frank, i don't feel any loyalty towards, is ideals. Yes, i'm sure at<br> > least one person is thinking that they just care about what tools<br> > work, but let's not forget to thank the ideals that made these better<br> > tools possible. I think most of us imagine a world where these ideals<br> > are universal, and see an incredible amount of potential in that.<br> ><br> ><br> > If this idea is well-received, we could either just do our own thing<br> > or use LibrePlanet which is a network that already exists and would be<br> > easy to move to. I understand some people have some badly tainted<br> > perceptions of the FSF, but i would have no problem being a part of<br> > their extended network. Either way, the more i think about it, the<br> > more i do think it is appropriate for LoCo's to abandon their<br> > exclusive-to-Ubuntu nature.<br> ><br> ><br> > I'm sure you can think of other good reasons as well. We would be<br> > giving up our Ubuntu exclusivity, but not abandoning Ubuntu. It seems<br> > this could make our job easier, benefit the greater FLOSS community,<br> > and still have no significant disadvantage for Ubuntu.<br> ><br> ><br> > Thoughts?<br> ><br> > --<br> > .danny<br> ><br> > ☮♥Ⓐ - <a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo</a><br> > Every (in)decision matters.<br> <br> <br> <br> </div></div><font color="#888888">--<br> Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a><br> </font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>.danny<br><br>☮♥Ⓐ - <a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo">http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo</a><br>Every (in)decision matters. <br>