Hi Martin, I hope my questions weren't confusing things? It wasn't my intent, and I hope others were not confused by them. They were mostly to help bring out some more concrete thoughts about the aims. Your second question is exactly what I'm talking about. What does the group think is important to tell the general public about those aims? What are topics to educate the public? Under those 4 aims, what are the concrete things we supply to the public, and what are the points to communicate about them? Both in what the LoCo does, as well as the greater Ubuntu community. E.g. that cool SVG/PDF you did. I find writing things like this quite helpful, especially on a list with lines showing relations. With clients, I use a whiteboard, and then take a picture or hand-copy it. Sometimes make a diagram of things, depending on the rate. ;-) Either way, maybe a common wiki page or a whiteboard from Launchpad (though I've never used the later) might help us? Oh, I think we could also benefit by looking at the outside world and figuring out what they need, not necessarily what we want to give. See how their aims fit into what they are looking for. I.e. list their aims first, then see where ours can connect, then think of the pieces that fit into the aims. This can bring about ideas of how to communicate to the public. Putting down in email or writing thoughts about what "regular" people look to get out of an OS or even just a computer would be good. And I'm sorry to say I probably won't have time to lead any discussions (beyond this now and random other emails). I took myself off the list before; you're welcome to put it back up under you Martin. Now I should stop babbling and I've _got_ to get some sleep before another early conf call.... Best, Rio <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Martin Owens <<a href="mailto:doctormo@gmail.com" target="_blank">doctormo@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hey Rio, <div> > So I hope this helps, and please, everyone chime in, and if things do > go I hope someone will take notes along the way.... </div>There are two main points that it's important not to confuse. First, what is the stated aims of the LoCo group? Well that is fairly well structured. Education, Advocacy, Support, Community. The next important question that is yet to be worked though is "What information is it important to show on our website to communicate our intention and at the same time prove inviting enough for normal people to get involved" I think getting the front facing website up, was the first issue. Now that we have something to work with and Liz has got her little dev site set up (and I learned more about setting the dev up on a fresh machine) Hopefully our next meeting can focus on this discussion. Although Rio your still down as doing that, would you like me to move that off you? Regards, Martin Owens -- <div><div></div><div>Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a> </div></div></blockquote></div>