<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There could be bugs in the BPL too.  Just kidding but ya never know.  :)  Just wanted to lighten up the talk for a second. I hope all recognized my attempts to get someone to smile.   As a new person on board, I am still learning about Ubuntu and it's community so I can relate to all sides of this train of thought  I am also on a Macbook.  I know, I know, MArtin already schooled me.  However I recently purchased an Ubuntu Dell mini for my daughter and I want her to be cutting edge and on top of the independent spirit and mind that is found at ubuntu.  I also want her to recognize that we are sort all in this together whether we like it or not and so with that comes some growing pains now and then.  Especially in this market.  <div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Doc Kinne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Folks:<div><br></div><div>Chris gives a lot of good thoughts here, and I have to admit I am in his camp.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm one of those folks who love the idea and philosophy of Linux and Free Software, but realize that in this current climate, from a practical standpoint, there are times when the FOSS community just isn't quite there yet.  In my personal example, I run a shop with Linux servers and MacOS X workstations. It has been Apple's increasing corporate behavior over the last five years that has driven me further and further into the FOSS community, however, this is still being written from a MacBook because one of the most frustrating computing experiences of my entire life was getting wireless to work on a Laptop running Linux. While the FOSS community - and Ubuntu in particular - has made great gains in the last couple of years getting to "the last mile" of "normal" desktop access, they're still trying. So, I realize that while philosophy is great, and can and should be your guiding light, practicality sometimes wins the game.</div><div><br></div><div>So, in the end, I think this is ultimately a dangerous idea for both parties.  From our side, Bug #1 puts us in direct philosophical combat with Microsoft, and from their part the Halloween Memo does the same with regard to us. While meeting there could work, I think it could just take a careless thought and action, not even meant badly, from either side to make things potentially uncomfortable.</div><div><br></div><div>I personally love the BPL idea if we can make it work.</div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">---</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Richard "Doc" Kinne • Rikardo «Dokĉjo» KINNE, BA, MSc., AMAAS</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><kinnerc @ gmail.com> </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Georgia; font-family: Georgia; ">"I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me up!"</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Georgia; font-family: Georgia; ">- The Doctor<br></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia">"Forests of the Dead," <i>Doctor Who</i></font></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div></div><div><div>On 03 Apr , 2009, at 09:55, Chris Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I'm a bit torn on this...<br><br>A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs. The idea of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe help mesh them is a positive to me.<br><br>The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access to Linux for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software. <br> <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy</a><br><br>Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft? <br><br>On the other hand...<br>The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives of Microsoft (from my perspective at least). <br> This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and I would hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict.<br><br>I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are and do but I would probably be more comfortable finding another alternative.<br> <br>Just my .02$<br><br>-Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.murphy@gmail.com">samuel.murphy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> What do people think?<br> <br> Regards, MArtin</blockquote><div> </div></div></div>I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed <br>totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. 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