[ubuntu-us-ma] SETC ( et all )

leftyfb leftyfb at left-click.org
Wed Nov 17 22:01:37 GMT 2010

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As has been said before, the SETC has been inundated with bad decisions
and now is being mismanaged by someone who not only doesn't have a clue
about much of anything other than clicking icons on a Mac, but is very
dishonest about his lack of knowledge. This makes communicating
information and processes very difficult.

Running a community center around FOSS is near impossible with all Macs
and I feel is more work and frustration trying to fit into 2 hours of
work a week. Personally, I have lost all motivation to help them out.
I'd like this to change, but it won't happen with Al running things with
his Macs.

Personally, I have spent over $1000 in both travel and small expenses as
well as leaving work early and spending late nights and weekend to help
build and maintain the SETC. None of this is a complaint. I enjoyed all
of it and wish it could continue.

It's really been a slap in the face to have everything we have worked on
for the past 3 years just trampled all over with no concern or effort
put into working things out.


On 11/17/2010 04:39 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> Bump?
> -Paul
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for opening the floor Paul,
>> The abridged story of the SETC is that the MA team provided classes
>> there for almost 3 years. Desktop classes and some systems admin
>> classes. Each tuesday bar a handful of days off we were there in force
>> (usually about 3 to 6 of us) to offer help, teach and help with anything
>> we could.
>> There was an understanding that there would be a replacement of the
>> front machines with Apples. This happened. What was not expected was the
>> shift of the middle room's 6 machines to Apple Mac also. This lack of
>> transparency has caused me to question the worth of spending time on the
>> SETC since the center seems to have no control over it's own workings
>> enough to not cause issue with groups running programs there.
>> Technical problems include: The lack of net boot, the loss of duel boots
>> and the lack of a solid auth network.
>> Other problems include: Al Willis of MIT, staunch supporter of Apple and
>> VMWare products, standing against the use of FOSS. Mel King, Apple fan.
>> Mel's sons, Microsoft supporters and Belay the sysadmin, Microsoft
>> supporter.
>> There is a lack of oversight and structure to who is in charge or
>> responsible, no concrete systems administration skills to run the
>> center, no apatite for training and little technical skill in the wider
>> community of helpers to help.
>> In the past we have been very adaptable, trying our best to make sure
>> all platforms and software could work well, we got used and so we pulled
>> out running programs. Until the SETC have proven they have changed their
>> ways, I don't want us as a group to waste time on it.
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 13:33 -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
>>> Heyya MA,
>>> There's been a bit of talk about the SETC and getting stuff going
>>> again there. I'd love it if we could use this thread to talk a bit
>>> about what happened, if it's save-able, and if the team should devote
>>> resources to it ( including how much ).
>>> I think this would make a good "guide" if a team were to devote time
>>> to the SETC again.
>>> There are a lot of sore-spots ( personally ) with this, so let's try
>>> and keep this about the team and the SETC. Stories ( both positive and
>>> negative ) are OK, just make sure they're relevant to the thread.
>>> Thanks, guys!
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