[ubuntu-us-ma] Ubuntu Gaming Team
ubuntu at kitterman.com
Fri Apr 24 14:02:39 BST 2009
Top posting fixed. Ugh.
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 08:40, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
>> First, apologies for the off topic cross-posting to many lists, but it
>> really hard for me to tell which one to drop.
>> > In recognition of the value of FOSS gaming, the Ubuntu Gaming Team has
>> > been
>> > formed of mutual benefit to Ubuntu and FOSS gaming. As of today, the
>> > is
>> > now open for anyone to join and participate in. Working towards
>> > FOSS games and developing its community will turn a significant
>> > against Ubuntu adoption into an appealing reason to switch.
>> > The Ubuntu Gaming Team will work to address the obstacles hindering
>> > in FOSS gaming such as the need for effective distributed content
>> > management
>> > or significant investment in free content development in order to
>> > FOSS gaming through Ubuntu and Ubuntu through FOSS gaming. New ideas
>> > encouraged and appreciated.
>> I appreciate the enthusiasm, but with your choice of names is going to
>> cause problems. First, while an effort like you are describing might
>> benefit Ubuntu, it is not about doing anything within Ubuntu (the
>> it seems to be about trying to leverage the Ubuntu community towards a
>> As it happens, Ubuntu (the distro) already has a team that works with
>> Debian on packaging FOSS games for Debian and Ubuntu. This team is the
>> Debian Games team. Based on the first reply to your message, you've
>> already created a point of confusion. Ubuntu (the distro) doesn't need
>> team to cooperate with the Debian games team as it is already a joint
>> Debian/Ubuntu team (this isn't the only case of this - another example
>> the pkg-clamav team that works on packaging clamav and related
>> I would encourage you to reconsider your choice of names and select one
>> that isn't going to cause confusion.
>> > FOSS gaming is important to Ubuntu as a lack of quality games is one
>> > the
>> > most cited reasons preventing users from switching from Windows.
>> > who
>> > currently feed off of the proprietary software model, represent a
>> > and
>> > valuable user base. They will not even begin to gradually migrate to
>> > Ubuntu
>> > until their needs are met. They are very capable of understanding the
>> > ideological and technical benefits of using a free operating system
>> > Ubuntu, and are often interested in switching, but higher value is
>> > on
>> > high quality gaming and the entire demographic will not budge until
>> > pragmatic advantages of open source actualize through FOSS gaming.
>> > The team is dedicated to FOSS gaming, and will not push for commercial
>> > games
>> > on Linux as significant effort is already put into the development of
>> > Wine
>> > and pressuring video game publishers to port their work to Linux. Once
>> > FOSS
>> > gaming reaches its "tipping point", code and content will be easily
>> > to foster the development of new games and innovative ideas in gaming.
>> > Ubuntu Gaming Team fills a great need for an organized effort to
>> > FOSS gaming.
>> > http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/04/announcing-ubuntu-gaming-team.html
>> I think you are using the name Ubuntu here is a way that is really
>> confusing. This isn't about Ubuntu gaming, it's about FOSS game
>> > Launchpad:
>> > Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam
>> > #ubuntu-gaming <
>> > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list
>> Finally, you sent this to an Ubuntu development list. This list is to
>> discuss development of Ubuntu. Your announcement seems to be at most
>> about development ON Ubuntu, not development OF Ubuntu. I think it's
>> I would encourage you to consider your goal and brand your team more
>> appropriately to that goal.
> Could a solution be to simply link to Debian/Ubuntu games team for
> packaging? It may have caused a tiny bit of confusion with the
> but i really don't foresee any other confusion. If it becomes a problem
> it'll definitely be worth changing, but i don't think it will be.
It already is a problem. I think this team is woefully misnamed.
The Debian games team is not the packaging subsidiary of your team.
As I said, I think you chose very poorly in your approach to naming this
team. There is nothing Ubuntu specific about it.
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