[ubuntu-us-in] free software!?

[justin sullivan]

 ill take you up on one of those cds, ive never used comodo antivirus but ive used everything else. I currently use an enterprise version of samantec in a windows xp vm via virtualbox running on an ubuntu 7.04 host. Or i suppose i could just download them all myself> From: ubuntu-us-in-request at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Ubuntu-us-in Digest, Vol 18, Issue 10> To: ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:00:26 +0100> > Send Ubuntu-us-in mailing list submissions to> ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-in> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ubuntu-us-in-request at lists.ubuntu.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> ubuntu-us-in-owner at lists.ubuntu.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-us-in digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: "Free" software CD (Jason Corfman)> 2. Re: "Free" software CD ( Sim?n Ruiz )> 3. K12 Open Minds Reminder (Vern Ceder)> 4. K12 Open Minds Reminder (fixed) (Vern Ceder)> 5. Re: "Free" software CD (Jason Corfman)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:01:37 -0400> From: Jason Corfman <computers at corfyscorner.com>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-in] "Free" software CD> To: Ubuntu's Indiana Local Community Team> <ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com>> Message-ID: <48A58C41.7060605 at corfyscorner.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > I guess my feeling is I don't understand how they could stop free > redistribution of a free program, especially when they use third-party > sites like download.com to distribute it to begin with. And I'm not > making money on it (not even to cover the cost of the CD), so I don't > see why they would care. It just saves them the bandwidth and spreads > their product. If I sold the CD, even for a buck or two, or if I gave a > free CD with the purchase of something else, I could understand them > being upset. But I'm just giving these away to anyone who will take one.> > I picked Comodo Antivirus for several reasons. First, the license is > better. The free AVG can only be installed on one computer per network, > and even then only for home use. Comodo can be installed on as many > computers as you want to install it on, even in a business environment, > although it isn't open source. Second, the install file is 10 MB smaller > for Comodo than it is for AVG, although if that were the only > consideration, I would use Avast, which is 10 MB smaller than Comodo. > Third, AVG seemed to get rather persistent in upgrading people to a paid > version. I don't mind them trying to advertise their paid version, but > when they make it look like the free version is no longer available when > it is still available, I look for something else.> > Most people I know don't bother with purchasing antivirus and are happy > with whatever came with their computer. The fact that they had a 90 day > antivirus trial on their computer that they bought four years ago > escapes them (a coworker asked me to clean a virus off his personal > computer with three-year-old expired antivirus... he didn't have a > virus, he had 93 different viruses). As an IT guy, I think people who > use Windows should use a current antivirus, and if I am going to give > them software, I want some of that software to be antivirus that runs > automatically (ClamWin only scans when you tell it to). And along those > lines, adware and spyware are just as bad to a system as viruses, so I > want to make sure that I give out some way of cleaning those as well. If > I could find open source alternatives, I would switch in a heartbeat.> > And if I could move everyone to Ubuntu, I would. But most people I know > don't know enough about Linux or Ubuntu to switch. Heck, most of them > don't know anything about Windows except that is what they have always > used and that is what everyone else uses, so it must be good. And if > they know anything about Linux, it is probably from me, but when I start > talking about it, their eyes glaze over or they just dismiss what I'm > saying as the ravings of a fanatic (like me being a Cincinnati Bengals > fan despite living 25 miles from the Colts stadium).> > Jason> > Sim?n Ruiz wrote:> > Erm, not necessarily. One of the things that makes free software free> > is the right to help your neighbor by re-distributing. Proprietarily> > licensed stuff may or may not allow this, depending on each individual> > program's license.> >> > Unless you read each license and see that they specifically allow> > re-distribution, I would assume they don't.> >> > You're not *likely* to face legal action for re-distributing something> > that can be freely obtained by anyone...> >> > Now that you mention it, this sort of ambiguity is another point in> > favor of free licensing.> >> > Sim?n> >> > P.S. FWIW, I put AVG Free edition (an anti-virus) on my> > mother-in-law's home computer that runs XP. I don't know how it stacks> > up against Comodo.> >> > P.P.S. Very, very soon, she will have a shiny new Ubuntu machine,> > cause both my wife and I are tired of supporting XP. ;-)> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:36:42 -0400> From: " Sim?n Ruiz " <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-in] "Free" software CD> To: "Ubuntu's Indiana Local Community Team"> <ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com>> Message-ID:> <6535daca0808150836w2bfbc48cr1fa5ed3b0608b550 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jason Corfman> <computers at corfyscorner.com> wrote:> > I guess my feeling is I don't understand how they could stop free> > redistribution of a free program, especially when they use third-party> > sites like download.com to distribute it to begin with. And I'm not> > making money on it (not even to cover the cost of the CD), so I don't> > see why they would care. It just saves them the bandwidth and spreads> > their product. If I sold the CD, even for a buck or two, or if I gave a> > free CD with the purchase of something else, I could understand them> > being upset. But I'm just giving these away to anyone who will take one.> > I don't doubt that the license owner's SHOULDN'T be upset by what> you're doing, and probably WOULDN'T, I'm just talking about the> license.> > I understand your point. And it's a well-reasoned point.> > And it's the kind of point that will always come up when you're> talking about the differences between proprietary licenses and free> licenses, as well as between copyrighted material and creative commons> style license.> > Unless it has a free license that I already understand or I read in> the license for each individual application that re-distribution is> explicitly allowed, I assume it's not.> > > Most people I know don't bother with purchasing antivirus and are happy> > with whatever came with their computer. The fact that they had a 90 day> > antivirus trial on their computer that they bought four years ago> > escapes them (a coworker asked me to clean a virus off his personal> > computer with three-year-old expired antivirus... he didn't have a> > virus, he had 93 different viruses). As an IT guy, I think people who> > use Windows should use a current antivirus, and if I am going to give> > them software, I want some of that software to be antivirus that runs> > automatically (ClamWin only scans when you tell it to). And along those> > lines, adware and spyware are just as bad to a system as viruses, so I> > want to make sure that I give out some way of cleaning those as well. If> > I could find open source alternatives, I would switch in a heartbeat.> > Yeah, I'm *so* glad I don't have all that anti-malware crud sucking up> processor time and memory in the background anymore; it's not much> better than having a bunch of malware crud sucking up your resources!> ;-)> > > And if I could move everyone to Ubuntu, I would. But most people I know> > don't know enough about Linux or Ubuntu to switch. Heck, most of them> > don't know anything about Windows except that is what they have always> > used and that is what everyone else uses, so it must be good. And if> > they know anything about Linux, it is probably from me, but when I start> > talking about it, their eyes glaze over or they just dismiss what I'm> > saying as the ravings of a fanatic (like me being a Cincinnati Bengals> > fan despite living 25 miles from the Colts stadium).> > *lol* Yeah.> > Most people don't know enough about Windows to use it securely, period.> > And most people are definitely afraid of change. This is really the> main concrete reason people have for not trying alternatives, and most> of the reasons they give when asked boil down to this one in the end.> > We've worked on my mother in law for a while now, switched her to> Thunderbird first, then Firefox, then OpenOffice.org.> > Since those are the three only things she uses her computer for, we're> able to tell her that all of her applications will work just the same> as they did before, just faster.> > > Jason> > Hope you're all having a great day!> > Sim?n> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:18:50 -0400> From: Vern Ceder <vceder at canterburyschool.org>> Subject: [ubuntu-us-in] K12 Open Minds Reminder> To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <48A5AC6A.3090308 at canterburyschool.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > This is just a quick reminder that the K12 Open Minds conference is > approaching. See http://www.k12openminds.org for more details - this is > one of the few conferences devoted to Free and Open Source Software in > K-12 education, so if that's an area of interest please come and > consider presenting.> > There are two updates worth mentioning. First, the deadline for rooms at > the conference rate of $97 a night is August 25. After that, the room > rate will increase dramatically. So if you are planning to attend, > booking a room now (see> > Second, we have extended the deadline for speaking proposals to Friday, > August 22, so please consider submitting a talk. While all proposals are > welcome, talks focussed on FOSS at the classroom level, either teaching > or technical, would be welcomed.> > Cheers,> Vern Ceder> -- > This time for sure!> -Bullwinkle J. Moose> -----------------------------> Vern Ceder, Director of Technology> Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804> vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:28:33 -0400> From: Vern Ceder <vceder at canterburyschool.org>> Subject: [ubuntu-us-in] K12 Open Minds Reminder (fixed)> To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <48A5AEB1.3090301 at canterburyschool.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Sorry about the fragment in my previous post - it's supposed to say "See > the "hotels" link on the web site"> > Cheers,> Vern> > This is just a quick reminder that the K12 Open Minds conference is> approaching. See http://www.k12openminds.org for more details - this is> one of the few conferences devoted to Free and Open Source Software in> K-12 education, so if that's an area of interest please come and> consider presenting.> > There are two updates worth mentioning. First, the deadline for rooms at> the conference rate of $97 a night is August 25. After that, the room> rate will increase dramatically. So if you are planning to attend,> booking a room now would be a good idea (see the "Hotels link on the web > site).> > Second, we have extended the deadline for speaking proposals to Friday,> August 22, so please consider submitting a talk. While all proposals are> welcome, talks focussed on FOSS at the classroom level, either teaching> or technical, would be welcomed.> > Cheers,> Vern Ceder> -- > This time for sure!> -Bullwinkle J. Moose> -----------------------------> Vern Ceder, Director of Technology> Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804> vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:00:50 -0400> From: Jason Corfman <computers at corfyscorner.com>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-in] "Free" software CD> To: Ubuntu's Indiana Local Community Team> <ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com>> Message-ID: <48A5FC92.5050703 at corfyscorner.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Ok, you made me a little paranoid, so I looked at the EULA's of the > non-open source programs.> > First, I decided to replace Picasa with the open source ImgSeek. It > isn't as powerful as Picasa, but it is an open source alternative. > Although the EULA would let me keep Picasa on the CD if I wanted.> > Ad-Aware's EULA doesn't say anything specifically about distributing the > free version. Purchasers can't distribute the paid version, but I'm not > a purchaser. I'm going to stick with my theory that it should be ok for > me to download and give to you to install until I learn otherwise.> > CCleaner just says I can't resell or charge for distribution, which I'm not.> > Comodo Antivirus may be distributed without charge as long as I don't > modify the program. (I don't know how to modify an open source program, > how am I going to modify a closed source program?)> > FoxIT Reader can be redistributed without charge as long as I don't > distribute it for mobile or embedded devices.> > Spybot: Search and Destroy allows me to give away copies as long as I > don't modify the license or the program.> > Unfortunately, Spyware Blaster and Comodo Firewall both prohibit > redistribution, so I will be removing those from my CD. I'm not sure why > Comodo allows their free antivirus to be distributed but not their free > firewall. And considering that you can't download Spyware Blaster from > their website, but have to go through one of three different commercial > mirrors (download.com, Major Geeks, and Coral Distribution Network), I'm > not sure why redistribution is prohibited. But I will remove them > anyway. So between those two programs, that frees up about 10 MB on my > CD. And the switch from Picasa to ImgSeek saved another half MB.> > Of course, I want to point out that Ad-Aware, Spybot: Search and > Destroy, and Spyware Blaster are only free for home use, not for > business use, but I point that out on my CD.> > So I am down to five closed source programs. If anyone has an > open-source alternative for any of them, let me know and I will take a > look. I'd love to have open source only.> > Jason> > > > > ------------------------------> > -- > Ubuntu-us-in mailing list> Ubuntu-us-in at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-in> > > End of Ubuntu-us-in Digest, Vol 18, Issue 10> ********************************************
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