[CoLoCo] Webmin???

[Soren Hansen]

On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 03:43:01PM -0600, Kevin Fries wrote:
> Rather than working with Webmin to fix whatever your issues are, you
> are working on a different tool, making you less consistent with
> RedHat, CentOS, etc (for the record, this is my key dislike of Suse
> and Yast).

Er... Yeah, because the eBox guys were willing to fix their stuff to be
policy compliant. It's as simple as that.

> Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better tool than Webmin come
> along.  But, eBox is too proprietary to their own way, without enough
> 3rd party support.  Its is also too simplistic for advanced
> configuration.

It's not meant for advanced configuration. It's meant to help
inexperienced admins set up commonly used services on a Linux based
system.

> Personally, I get the simplistic controls on desktops, but not on
> servers.

Noone's forcing you to install eBox.

> The Ubuntu community is trying to do for the server, what it did for
> the desktop, 

That's right. We're trying to take something that is usually perceived
as something only very geeky people can use, and make it accessible to
your grandma.

> and at least in my opinion, its a dangerous thing.

Booh!

> Servers in the home are probably quite easily set up with a basic
> script, and then even eBox is over kill.

If you know how to write such a script, eBox is not for you.

> Servers built for business, need that extended level of granular
> control.  I love the Ubuntu desktop because of its smart defaults...
> I guess I am getting upset with the server stuff because I feel the
> Ubuntu community is restricting my level of control.  Again, love it
> on the desktop, frustrated with it on the server.

Noone's forcing you to install or use eBox.
 
> Debian based systems also uses this same mechanism to reconfigure
> packages (dpkg-reconfigure, update-alternatives, etc).  My argument is
> not with the problem, but the solution.  Webmin has kinda become a
> standard by default.  So accept that, and work with the software
> install package to handle package reconfiguration.  Don't abandon what
> everyone already knows and go in a different direction.  Keeping to
> the same web based admin tool as other distros, allows transfer of
> knowledge between distros to be faster, and allows Linux to grow at a
> faster pace.

If you care so deeply for it, I strongly encourage you to pick up
maintainership of it.

-- 
Soren Hansen               | 
Virtualisation specialist  | Ubuntu Server Team
Canonical Ltd.             | http://www.ubuntu.com/
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 189 bytes
Desc: Digital signature
Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-co/attachments/20080403/129c437a/attachment.pgp