Richard brings up a good point. Packaging takes time to learn. More than 1 hours' worth. Here is my suggestion.  Everyone read  the manual's that Richard  sent out, and  drink lots of coffee. And depending on how many people show up on sunday, we can start at 10, or 12 or never. how about that? Also, if anyone is driving and can offer me a ride, please msg me offlist and we can discuss details about sunday. thanks! eddiemartinez AT gmail DOT com (although this should be obvious) -eddie m. <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 10, 2007 9:41 AM, Richard A. Johnson <<a href="mailto:nixternal@kubuntu.org">nixternal@kubuntu.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">On Monday 10 December 2007, Eddie Martinez wrote: | heyall: | | Jim pointed out a good point. We won't actually be packaging for 6 hours. | We will be meeting with CoDLUG and they run from 10am-4pm. The conversation | on packaging will most likely run from 12-3 or 2-4 or something similar to | this. However, I am waiting for Richard to get back to me on this. Most of | us are all real busy with finals and such. this does not mean that we wont | be ready for sunday however. </div>Starting at 12 would be fine, but in 3 hours you might not learn much, and here is why: When doing any types of Debian packaging, there are multiple environments in which you have to package for, those environments are: 1) Merges from Debian 2) New packages 3) Fixing package bugs 4) Rebuilding a package against an updated dependency Now that you have the environments covered, you have to now commit either as a MOTU or not as a MOTU, which bring up 2 new environments. NON-MOTU ---------------- 1) dput to revu for new packages 2) create debdiff/interdiff for merges, updates, and bugfixes MOTU --------- 1) Review NON-MOTU #1 and #2 2) dput to Ubuntu 2 to 4 simply will not work, because we are usually out the door by 4pm. 12 to 3 will allow us to do possibly 1 new package and 1 or 2 merges. 10 to 4 will allow us to cover 1-4 up top, as well as 1-2 for NON-MOTU, but I will leave that up to the people. Packaging isn't something you are going to learn in a couple of hours, and doing it from 10 to 4 will not only allow myself and possibly Mario to run a couple of sessions, but it will also allow us to teach some fundamentals as well as answer questions. A 2 or 3 hour session will not get it done, but I will leave that up to all of you, if you want a small session, come prepared to just eat what we feed you and don't plan on getting into it in depth. Also if you plan on a short session, I would recommend that you read the following thouroughly so what we say makes at least a little bit of sense: 1) <a href="http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#policy" target="_blank"> http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#policy</a> 2) <a href="http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#devref" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#devref</a> 3) <a href="http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide" target="_blank"> http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide</a> 4) <a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide" target="_blank">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide</a> 5) <a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PbuilderHowto" target="_blank"> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PbuilderHowto</a> And go over anything I didn't cover on this page: <a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Lists/DocumentationResources" target="_blank">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Lists/DocumentationResources </a> For building new packages, you should probably familiarize yourself with chroots, creating a good copyright file, and creating a good description in the debian/control file. -- Richard A. Johnson <a href="mailto:nixternal@kubuntu.org">nixternal@kubuntu.org</a> GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -- Ubuntu-us-chicago mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-chicago@lists.ubuntu.com"> Ubuntu-us-chicago@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-chicago" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-chicago</a> </blockquote></div> -- This has been an Eddie Martinez production. <Please exit in an orderly fashion>