ok, there is actually a brand new how to on ubuntuforums... <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525833">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525833</a> I would try the manual method .   Give that a shot and reboot.  For network manager you can do a sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome btw you can search apt pretty easily  apt-cache search <what> so apt-cache search network-maanager would show you whats available :))  kinda cool stuff <div>On 8/14/07, jason jenkins <<a href="mailto:jenkins27@gmail.com">jenkins27@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> OK, here is the info on my card.  After I removed wpasupplicant it had a box pop up that said network manager was missing info.  I no longer have the network manager icon on the top left. <div> On 8/14/07, Wally Valters <<a href="mailto:deepsky99@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">deepsky99@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> not sure if last message got through, I got a size warning...  posting again: less is like more (haha) more exists in linux as well as windows, and you can get less for windows.  they are "pager" programs. they take the output of something (like lshw) ands allow you to scroll thorough it. more allows forward scrolling only , less allows both.  you should type man less in a terminal window (man uses less by default actually) to see how to use it well.  It will come in handy all the time btw typing 'q' exits less Yes MAC address should be the same, but the filtering is a security placebo  as well.  You can fake a MAC address rather easily <div> On 8/14/07, jason jenkins <<a href="mailto:jenkins27@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jenkins27@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ya, I am broadcasting my ESSID.  Also, ubuntu will use the same MAC address for my card as windows correct?  So if I do MAC address filtering I use the same one for both windows and ubuntu? What exactly is less?  and once I type it the first time I stay in that mode? <div> </div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div></div> </blockquote></div>