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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Mr. Ballew (and all of you for that matter) make some good
points.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>As businessman/social worker type person (yes they CAN
co-exist) I would say the problem is complicated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>There is the aspect of people, most of which are
selfish. The don't seem to care. They just want something cheap that
works well. There is another aspect of people being afraid. Afraid
of looking stupid or silly, afraid of trying something new they don't
understand, afraid of getting stuck, not knowing who to ask for help,
etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>There is the aspect of businesses, non-profits, and clubs, etc
that need to function together, to exchange documents and ideas. Most
people, not knowing how to make it work together just opt out for the easy
solution that is most pervasive, Microsoft.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>From my talking with people about this issue and how they feel
about it (most don't even know what an Operating System is) they are conflicted
with one or more of the above issues. It's my idealist mentality that trys
to convince them to not waste their money for something that doesn't even work
that well. I have pretty much stopped trying to do that, all I get is a
blank stare. What I have been doing recently is give them a machine that
has been given to me broke (Windows do get broken from time to time) and replace
it with Ubuntu. I give it back to them and I usually never hear anything
about it. They just start using it! Most don't even know the
difference. I replaced the Kiosk in my wife, Vicki's tax office with
Puppy Linux, as it was an old machine. People just walk up to it and use
it! Until I tell them it's Linux, most don't even ask!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>If I could do anything I would encourage all of us to continue
what we are doing. To continue to work together, to help people out there,
to support a distro, to show people options for integrating, to help them find
the software they need, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>We have come a long way in a short time. Even Redmond
said that their biggest threat was Linux. Hey, Windows Ultimate has
built a Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA), or rather a <A
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class=kLink>software</SPAN></FONT></A> for a UNIX/POSIX O/S. That is HUGE
in my opinion. That says we have already made the
grade.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Let's
keep it up and work together.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>My
thoughts,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=339121605-17032011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>George
Mulak</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B>
ubuntu-us-ca-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-us-ca-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Philip
Ballew<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Ubuntu US
California<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Starting Out w/
Linux<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>people dont care as much if a piece of software is open source
because they dont know what the source code even means. they want the best and
what works for them. at least thats what i find...<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM, seidos <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:kdemarest@gmail.com">kdemarest@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Hey Mark:<BR><BR>Qcad and DraftSight are 2d. I already
showed my brother 2d open source CAD solutions. He wasn't impressed
enough to take them seriously.<BR><BR>I would think the loftier ideals of "the
source belonging to the people" to be the kind of thing that might convince
some individuals to feel the effort in learning something new would be worth
their time. But this is pure speculation. <BR><BR>Perhaps the
community can shine some light on individuals they managed to switch
over. I got my cousin to use Linux for his server stuff (I believe he
uses Open Suse), but he was already a computer enthusiast. I know some
in the ULUG managed to switch over family members that weren't computer
enthusiasts, but i don't know the specifics of the scenarios, and why they
were able to get the user switch to stick, or even how happy the users are
with the switch.
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Mark Garrow <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:scunizi@cox.net"
target=_blank>scunizi@cox.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Seidos... I was just doing some cad for a friends dash on
his RV9<BR>airplane.. Other than QCad I found DraftSight which has a
community<BR>edition and a pro paid version that adds just a couple of
things.<BR><BR>On the other points.. the FOSS philosophy might work more now
that most<BR>everyone are looking to save a buck here and there. On
the saving $'s<BR>front, many have machines that are older, slow, riddled
with (you name<BR>it) and don't have the money to buy a new machine and/or
can't find the<BR>reinstall disks or the money to pay anyone to do it for
them. That is<BR>an opportunity for FOSS and Ubuntu. Although,
admittedly difficult to<BR>find these people individually, when you do
they're often open to the<BR>idea with some hesitation.<BR><BR>It's tough to
overcome a windows/mac user that has a specific program<BR>that they just
have to have.<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Mark Garrow<BR>Scunizi / Izinucs<BR><FONT
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clear=all><BR></DIV></DIV><FONT color=#888888>-- <BR>with metta,
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