I saw some typos under the Ubuntu Philosophy section. There are two typos the word "freedrom" and "theiry". Regarding viruses, maybe the elephant in the room is that ubuntu doesn't have viruses because there aren't enough people that use it and thus nobody is writing viruses for it (obviously not a "selling" point). Though, I suppose it is possible with automatic updates any vulnerabilities could be found before a virus could exploit the vulnerabilities making ubuntu virus proof, though I'm not sure that this is absolutely the case. 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Today's Topics: 1. Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Jack Deslippe) 2. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Aaditya Bhatia) 3. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Mark Garrow) 4. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Aaditya Bhatia) 5. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Nathan Haines) 6. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Nathan Haines) 7. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Aaditya Bhatia) 8. Re: Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files (Jack Deslippe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:13:28 -0700 From: Jack Deslippe <<a href="mailto:jdeslip@gmail.com">jdeslip@gmail.com</a>> Subject: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: BerkeleyLUG <<a href="mailto:berkeleylug@googlegroups.com">berkeleylug@googlegroups.com</a>>, Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:11eb8a5c1003281213sb783997h7b4defb0129364c5@mail.gmail.com">11eb8a5c1003281213sb783997h7b4defb0129364c5@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Everyone, I have put up the source files for our second brochure here: <a href="http://civet.berkeley.edu/%7Ejdeslip/Ubuntu/" target="_blank">http://civet.berkeley.edu/~jdeslip/Ubuntu/</a> Have a look and give me some comments. -Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/attachments/20100328/c995723f/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/attachments/20100328/c995723f/attachment-0001.htm</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:46:45 -0700 From: Aaditya Bhatia <<a href="mailto:aaditya@dragonsblaze.com">aaditya@dragonsblaze.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Jack Deslippe <<a href="mailto:jdeslip@gmail.com">jdeslip@gmail.com</a>> Cc: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, BerkeleyLUG <<a href="mailto:berkeleylug@googlegroups.com">berkeleylug@googlegroups.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7c3a94391003281246l4eefeca9r39884698ac8fdbd1@mail.gmail.com">7c3a94391003281246l4eefeca9r39884698ac8fdbd1@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jack Deslippe <<a href="mailto:jdeslip@gmail.com">jdeslip@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > <a href="http://civet.berkeley.edu/%7Ejdeslip/Ubuntu/" target="_blank">http://civet.berkeley.edu/~jdeslip/Ubuntu/</a> > Have a look and give me some comments. > -Jack > "Do I need to defrag or use antivirus software? Nope. The Ubuntu filesystem DOES need to be defragmented and ..." Looks like a typo near the end of the brochure. The brochure looks very professional and appealing overall. Great job! -- Aaditya <a href="http://www.dragonsblaze.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dragonsblaze.com/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:10:51 -0700 From: Mark Garrow <<a href="mailto:markgarrow@gmail.com">markgarrow@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Cc: BerkeleyLUG <<a href="mailto:berkeleylug@googlegroups.com">berkeleylug@googlegroups.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:201003281310.51568.markgarrow@gmail.com">201003281310.51568.markgarrow@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" I can't tell because I haven't really looked close enough, but on the front of the brochure is "Ubuntu" in the new Ubuntu font? Should it be for consistency? Also, under "Join the Community / Get Help: .... should we mention the IRC channels and the relevant server? Granted many won't know what that is but others will. Perhaps with a corresponding link to the wiki on IRC. There seems to be enough room to do it. In the "Connecting to WiFi:" section on the first line there is a misspelling.. networks instead of networs. Section "Thumdrives / Mediaplayers in Ubuntu:" Thumdrives should be spelled Thumbdrives. In the "Do I need to defrag or .... " section.. "nearly no virus" has two issues.. bad english, and virus should be plural. "Nearly no" implies there are viruses (viri?) but then we state that we don't need a scanner.. There should be a better way to state that. Best, Mark Garrow (Scunizi) On Sunday 28 March 2010 12:13:28 pm Jack Deslippe wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have put up the source files for our second brochure here: > > <a href="http://civet.berkeley.edu/%7Ejdeslip/Ubuntu/" target="_blank">http://civet.berkeley.edu/~jdeslip/Ubuntu/</a> > > Have a look and give me some comments. > > -Jack > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:59 -0700 From: Aaditya Bhatia <<a href="mailto:aaditya@dragonsblaze.com">aaditya@dragonsblaze.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7c3a94391003281320l2f9499bdm3141e7046616293d@mail.gmail.com">7c3a94391003281320l2f9499bdm3141e7046616293d@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Garrow <<a href="mailto:markgarrow@gmail.com">markgarrow@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > "Nearly no" implies there > are viruses (viri?) but then we state that we don't need a scanner.. There > should be a better way to state that. > We don't execute every file on sight, so we're virus-proof by design, at least in this sense. Might sound a little complicated for a newbie, but doesn't this point deserve a mention? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:44:56 -0700 From: Nathan Haines <<a href="mailto:nhaines@ubuntu.com">nhaines@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4BAFBFC8.9080806@ubuntu.com">4BAFBFC8.9080806@ubuntu.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was going to point out everything that Mark did (except I didn't catch "networs", good job). To be honest, I can't tell what's changed from before. I know the hardest part of doing something like this is figuring out what should be there and getting it written and able to fit. So I think the hard work that has been done is commendable and I really like the result. So the very detailed criticisms below should be seen as simple copyediting that is required to really make the product shine and to keep fickle end-users from disregarding the message and information because it doesn't look "professional". I know we don't have the new Ubuntu font yet (I've been told we should expect it around the end of the month) but I think the new logo and colors should be used. I'm not sure why all the screen shots use the old DarkRoom theme instead of 9.10's default Human theme, but I would have expected that they be updated to use Ambiance for 10.04 LTS. "Brocure" is misspelled in the filename. Is this intentional? It looks unprofessional. "Simple CCSM" finds the right software in Ubuntu Software Center but in 10.04 LTS it is listed as "Simple CompizConfig Settings Manager" "Flashplayer" refers to "Adobe Flash" or "Adobe Flash Player" and should not be combined into one word. The URLs on the 'back' panel should either include the URI protocol (http://) or not--it shouldn't be random. The title fonts should either be serif or sans-serif, the "How to get Flash, YouTube, Hulu" title is the wrong typeface, size, and style. Section titles switch from "How to" introductions to first-person questions. Reference to searching for "install.exe" files for software is odd, since Windows software uses "setup.exe" Brochure says not to search for and download software on the "Internet" (meaning the World Wide Web), but then recommends "World of Goo", for which users will have to search for, purchase, and download from 2D Boy's website. Under no circumstances should snes9x be a game recommendation. It's not useful 'out of the box' and encourages piracy. It's a Super Nintendo emulator that comes with no games and is useless without legally dumping your personal SNES cartridges with a ROM dumper to your computer (but which is against the license provided with the games) or illegally downloading commercial games from shady websites. (We can pretend they might find legal homebrew projects but I doubt this is likely without further guidance.) Gwibber description doesn't align when it wraps. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu California Local Community Team ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:58:52 -0700 From: Nathan Haines <<a href="mailto:nhaines@ubuntu.com">nhaines@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4BAFC30C.3060307@ubuntu.com">4BAFC30C.3060307@ubuntu.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03/28/2010 01:20 PM, Aaditya Bhatia wrote: > We don't execute every file on sight, so we're virus-proof by design, > at least in this sense. Might sound a little complicated for a newbie, > but doesn't this point deserve a mention? > > It deserves a mention but only in an accurate way. Most "viruses" are either worms or trojans that exploit software vulnerabilities to gain priviledge escalation or execute a payload and this is never caused by "executing a file", it's caused by exploiting buffer overruns and other developer oversights. Windows and Mac OS also don't "execute every file on sight" anymore, so "in this sense" doesn't provide any contrast to the other systems (besides being beside the point, since that's not how viruses spread anymore). -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu California Local Community Team ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:39:31 -0700 From: Aaditya Bhatia <<a href="mailto:aaditya@dragonsblaze.com">aaditya@dragonsblaze.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7c3a94391003281439g2f424713j5ec6515d1105c706@mail.gmail.com">7c3a94391003281439g2f424713j5ec6515d1105c706@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Nathan Haines <<a href="mailto:nhaines@ubuntu.com">nhaines@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > On 03/28/2010 01:20 PM, Aaditya Bhatia wrote: >> We don't execute every file on sight, so we're virus-proof by design, >> at least in this sense. Might sound a little complicated for a newbie, >> but doesn't this point deserve a mention? >> >> > It deserves a mention but only in an accurate way. ?Most "viruses" are > either worms or trojans that exploit software vulnerabilities to gain > priviledge escalation or execute a payload and this is never caused by > "executing a file", it's caused by exploiting buffer overruns and other > developer oversights. > > Windows and Mac OS also don't "execute every file on sight" anymore, so > "in this sense" doesn't provide any contrast to the other systems > (besides being beside the point, since that's not how viruses spread > anymore). > Clarifying what I said earlier, OSes obviously don't execute the files on sight, but sometimes they do access portions of them in easily exploitable ways, resulting in execution of an embedded exploit. For example, downloading an infected executable file and navigating to it in Windows Explorer used to be enough for the viruses to propagate on XP. Vista addressed that by prompting the user before executing something with admin privileges etc. I'm not aware of the details of how viruses work, but there should be something on these lines that we can publish without falsely implicating others. Anything like "You don't need an virus-scanner in Linux because..." should work. I agree that whatever we publish must be accurate. -- Aaditya <a href="http://www.dragonsblaze.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dragonsblaze.com/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:51:59 -0700 From: Jack Deslippe <<a href="mailto:jdeslip@gmail.com">jdeslip@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Tri-Fold Source Files To: Ubuntu US California <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:11eb8a5c1003281651i1e1d50a6nbf7f35d145010ac4@mail.gmail.com">11eb8a5c1003281651i1e1d50a6nbf7f35d145010ac4@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for comments everyone - I also got a lot of comments from the folks at the jam. I intended to update the screenshots and marketing to fit with lucid today ( as Nathan suggested ) but got side tracked by other goings-on. I'll send a new draft out in a couple days. Ill remove snes9x as well and fix the numerous typos. Jack On Mar 28, 2010 2:40 PM, "Aaditya Bhatia" <<a href="mailto:aaditya@dragonsblaze.com">aaditya@dragonsblaze.com</a>> wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Nathan Haines <<a href="mailto:nhaines@ubuntu.com">nhaines@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: > On 03/28/2010 01:20 PM,... Clarifying what I said earlier, OSes obviously don't execute the files on sight, but sometimes they do access portions of them in easily exploitable ways, resulting in execution of an embedded exploit. For example, downloading an infected executable file and navigating to it in Windows Explorer used to be enough for the viruses to propagate on XP. Vista addressed that by prompting the user before executing something with admin privileges etc. I'm not aware of the details of how viruses work, but there should be something on these lines that we can publish without falsely implicating others. 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