[Ubuntu-US-CA] "The Ubuntu community cannot, and does not want to, prescribe which formal structure its local teams should use”

[Jack Deslippe]

Hi,

Just added some stuff to my wiki page here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/jdeslip -
copied style wise almost wholesale from Lyz.

About being inward focused, hopefully this is only temporary - sometimes it
is necessary to clean up your desk/office before you can go on doing more
work. ;)

Cheers,

Jack

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, kdemarest <kdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Robert:
>
> Good to hear from you.  I actually had a thought that it is probably too
> inward looking because nobody really knows each other.  Well, I know I don't
> really know anybody.  I did take the time to read everyone's wiki that i
> could get a hold of.  Here is mine:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos.  Do
> you have one?
>
> Quite frankly, I don't really know of anybody on the team that i can really
> work with on stuff.  I'm a part of this team and i still kind of feel alone.
>  Probably my fault, i don't know.
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> This group is to inward looking and therefor self serving in my view.
>>  I think we need to focus on the real common goals of helping others
>> in our efforts to promote Linux within the community.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:30 AM, kdemarest <kdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I couldn't help but get the feeling that we might be taking this
>> leadership
>> > election a little too seriously.  Maybe it would help to point out the
>> > truism that a leader can't force anyone to do anything on our team.  All
>> > they can do is make suggestions.  I mean, from the looks of things we're
>> all
>> > volunteers for goodness sakes.  The best that a leader can do is remind
>> us
>> > why we're here, in case we spend too much time chasing our own tails.  I
>> > mean, if we refuse to do what the leader wants, who is going to force
>> us?
>> >  The FOSS police?
>> > We should probably be looking to ourselves for leaders, and not looking
>> > outside ourselves.  Oftentimes, we expect too much from our leaders,
>> because
>> > we expect so little from ourselves.  For this we probably owe our
>> leaders an
>> > apology.
>> >
>> > I still think the best leader is someone who is best at teaching.  I
>> know
>> > for me, personally, I need to connect with knowledgeable individuals who
>> can
>> > *gracefully* show me what I don't know.  I mean, let's just get the fact
>> > that I'm an idiot out of the way, and let's just move forward to try and
>> > reduce my idiocy.  -_-  On this same line of thought, I would suggest
>> that
>> > ego is detrimental to Us.  Wanting to help with FOSS is great, but if
>> you
>> > don't have the knowledge, what good is the desire?  And I don't mean to
>> > project my own feelings of inadequacy on the team, but I really don't
>> see
>> > how the problems I see with Ubuntu, or GNU/Linux for that matter, are
>> > presently going to be solved.
>> > I talked to a friend yesterday.  You know what she said?  I mean, we all
>> > probably already know this, but it is probably worth repeating.  "I want
>> > something that works and is cheap".  How can I, in good faith, recommend
>> > Ubuntu to someone when this is what they are looking for?  What is the
>> sound
>> > bite?  They are not interested in philosophical notions of right and
>> wrong,
>> > monopolies being bad, etc.  They want it to be cheap, and to work.
>>  Enough
>> > said, end of story.  I mean, having their ear is fine.  I suppose the
>> best
>> > that can be done, at present, is planting the seed that there is a more
>> > ethical alternative, that may be cheaper and work better for them (but
>> > probably not on the latter).
>> > This all having been said, if I offended anybody with my candor, let's
>> talk
>> > about it.  I am more than inclined to admit that I'm wrong with my
>> opinions
>> > based on my own limited personal experience.
>> > Speaking of personal experience, I know that my own insistence on
>> working on
>> > my own projects is a major reason why I'm doing them alone.  So if you
>> have
>> > a project you want help with, even if it's just you in front of your
>> > computer "alone" on the Internet, by all means, let me know.  Perhaps
>> others
>> > will feel the same way.
>> > So, this all having been said, here are the projects I'm presently
>> working
>> > on everybody.
>> > *  Trying to figure out why top says that all but 52MB of my RAM is
>> being
>> > utilized at present of 2GB
>> > *  Trying to see if i can configure compiz standalone by following this
>> > guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompizStandalone
>> > * Figuring out how I'm going to host my website
>> > http://www.fictionalphilosophy.org
>> > * Reading Python the Hard way (ug, someone give me some motivation on
>> this
>> > one!).
>> > * Trying to figure out what all the processes in ps aux are for, and if
>> any
>> > can be eliminated.
>> > seidos
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