[Ubuntu-US-CA] "The Ubuntu community cannot, and does not want to, prescribe which formal structure its local teams should use”

kdemarest kdemarest at gmail.com
Wed Oct 6 16:19:52 UTC 2010

Hi Robert:

Good to hear from you.  I actually had a thought that it is probably too
inward looking because nobody really knows each other.  Well, I know I don't
really know anybody.  I did take the time to read everyone's wiki that i
could get a hold of.  Here is mine:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos.  Do you
have one?

Quite frankly, I don't really know of anybody on the team that i can really
work with on stuff.  I'm a part of this team and i still kind of feel alone.
 Probably my fault, i don't know.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis at gmail.com> wrote:

> This group is to inward looking and therefor self serving in my view.
>  I think we need to focus on the real common goals of helping others
> in our efforts to promote Linux within the community.
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:30 AM, kdemarest <kdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I couldn't help but get the feeling that we might be taking this
> leadership
> > election a little too seriously.  Maybe it would help to point out the
> > truism that a leader can't force anyone to do anything on our team.  All
> > they can do is make suggestions.  I mean, from the looks of things we're
> all
> > volunteers for goodness sakes.  The best that a leader can do is remind
> us
> > why we're here, in case we spend too much time chasing our own tails.  I
> > mean, if we refuse to do what the leader wants, who is going to force us?
> >  The FOSS police?
> > We should probably be looking to ourselves for leaders, and not looking
> > outside ourselves.  Oftentimes, we expect too much from our leaders,
> because
> > we expect so little from ourselves.  For this we probably owe our leaders
> an
> > apology.
> >
> > I still think the best leader is someone who is best at teaching.  I know
> > for me, personally, I need to connect with knowledgeable individuals who
> can
> > *gracefully* show me what I don't know.  I mean, let's just get the fact
> > that I'm an idiot out of the way, and let's just move forward to try and
> > reduce my idiocy.  -_-  On this same line of thought, I would suggest
> that
> > ego is detrimental to Us.  Wanting to help with FOSS is great, but if you
> > don't have the knowledge, what good is the desire?  And I don't mean to
> > project my own feelings of inadequacy on the team, but I really don't see
> > how the problems I see with Ubuntu, or GNU/Linux for that matter, are
> > presently going to be solved.
> > I talked to a friend yesterday.  You know what she said?  I mean, we all
> > probably already know this, but it is probably worth repeating.  "I want
> > something that works and is cheap".  How can I, in good faith, recommend
> > Ubuntu to someone when this is what they are looking for?  What is the
> sound
> > bite?  They are not interested in philosophical notions of right and
> wrong,
> > monopolies being bad, etc.  They want it to be cheap, and to work.
>  Enough
> > said, end of story.  I mean, having their ear is fine.  I suppose the
> best
> > that can be done, at present, is planting the seed that there is a more
> > ethical alternative, that may be cheaper and work better for them (but
> > probably not on the latter).
> > This all having been said, if I offended anybody with my candor, let's
> talk
> > about it.  I am more than inclined to admit that I'm wrong with my
> opinions
> > based on my own limited personal experience.
> > Speaking of personal experience, I know that my own insistence on working
> on
> > my own projects is a major reason why I'm doing them alone.  So if you
> have
> > a project you want help with, even if it's just you in front of your
> > computer "alone" on the Internet, by all means, let me know.  Perhaps
> others
> > will feel the same way.
> > So, this all having been said, here are the projects I'm presently
> working
> > on everybody.
> > *  Trying to figure out why top says that all but 52MB of my RAM is being
> > utilized at present of 2GB
> > *  Trying to see if i can configure compiz standalone by following this
> > guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompizStandalone
> > * Figuring out how I'm going to host my website
> > http://www.fictionalphilosophy.org
> > * Reading Python the Hard way (ug, someone give me some motivation on
> this
> > one!).
> > * Trying to figure out what all the processes in ps aux are for, and if
> any
> > can be eliminated.
> > seidos
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