[Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts

Troy Ready Troy.Ready at rezitech.com
Thu Oct 15 17:25:07 UTC 2009

Obviously it comes down to who decides what comments are ridiculous. I think I would be offended if Mark apologized.


From: ubuntu-us-ca-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-ca-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cafiero
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:16
To: Ubuntu US California
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Nathan Haines <nhaines at ubuntu.com<mailto:nhaines at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 08:26 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Nathan Haines <nhaines at ubuntu.com<mailto:nhaines at ubuntu.com>>
> wrote:
I find the implication that women need to be separately
planned for or else they're being deliberately excluded to be incredibly

Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't.

Got it.

Women are people, indeed. While there are certainly times
when it's an important consideration, I don't think a simple logo tee is
one of them.

While it's an important consideration to remember that women are people, indeed, you're also right, Nathan, that a logo tee may not be one where we need to make separate shirts.

Might be nice, though, but not particularly necessary.

Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community policy to dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden from the community's lexicon?

The reason I ask is that, from time to time, I say things I have to take back -- which I do, with apologies if necessary -- so I don't want to be in violation of any policy/policies.

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