[Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link

Jack Deslippe jdeslip at berkeley.edu
Thu Jun 25 16:08:10 UTC 2009

Hi All,

I am rather new to Ubuntu-US-CA (and to running a LUG), but I thought 
I'd give my perspective on this issue.  There has been a lot said so 
far; so, I won't try to comment on what everyone else has said.

First, I have to say that I find the whole discussion a little absurd.  
It seems that it is pretty poor management practice (even if the 
"manager" is the whole group itself) to have removed the link and 
created a fuss.  In any business or organization, I think you will find 
that you get the best results when you give your enthusiastic 
employees/volunteers space to be creative and to take some initiative.  
If we as group  (or any of us in particular) try to micro-manage 
individual efforts, particularly when that individual is doing a good 
job spreading the word about Ubuntu and the LoCo, we will find that 
hardly anyone will be willing to put forth an effort, and not much will 
get done.  In my opinion, Grant has been doing a great job, is 
enthusiastic, and deserves to have is work stand without every trivial 
change (which I think adding link to the page design is) being 
questioned.  I personally think this whole discussion has done nothing 
but hold back further efforts and participation. 

Secondly, even if we are forgetting my above sentiments, I think the 
link on the menu (and hence every page) is perfectly reasonable.  I also 
think a link to the podcast would be good as well.  The site, as is, is 
a bit difficult navigate and links to important efforts should be 
included.  As a new LUG maintainer, I think any advertisement from the 
Ubuntu LoCo page would be quite helpful, and I am not at all worried 
about people thinking my group is just an Ubuntu group - it is clear 
from our own site and the name LUG, that we are not.  I can't imagine an 
LUG being offended by the Ubuntu LoCo advertising their group.  But, 
hey, I certainly don't represent everyone.  Secondly, I, as an Ubuntu 
user, would look for that type of information on my LoCo page (i.e. 
where can I get help locally).  So, a prominent link clearly helps such 
a user coming to the site. 

Anyway, those are my thoughts.  Feel free to ignore them if you guys 
feel (quite rightly) that I have yet to earn my Ubuntu LoCo stripes.


Robert Wall wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 21:11 -0700, Paul Reiber wrote: 
>> I could have mis-read this, but I believe we're discussing the
>> existence of ONE SINGLE LINK in the "menu" portion of the wiki which
>> gets transcluded onto many other pages.
> That's exactly correct. Those "many other pages" are all of the active
> pages on the CaliforniaTeam wiki, including the homepage. Thus, anything
> linked on there is rather prominent.
>> From a layout perspective, there's no problem adding another link (or
>> 2) in that section; it currently has only 3 lines while one neighbor
>> has four and another has five.
>> I look at the current "Get Involved" choices - "Projects" and "IRC
>> Meetings" and find that lacking.
> I agree that the layout could do with changing, but I disagree that
> arbitrarily adding one of our several projects to that section is the
> way to do that. I'd be more inclined to change the "Get Involved"
> section to a "Projects" section, and there link all of the active
> projects that are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects .
> The "IRC Meetings" link is a duplicate anyway, so we wouldn't lose
> anything.
> In other words, the whole section would be changed to look something
> like this:
> '''[[CaliforniaTeam/Projects|Current Projects]]'''
> [[CaliforniaTeam/Projects/OSCON2009|OSCON 2009]]
> [[CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts|Contacting User Groups]]
> [[CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves|Ubuntu CD Sleeves]]
> ... and we'd add the Podcast when it gets on its feet, and other
> projects as we start them. We don't generally have more than three or
> four things going at once anyway.
> I note here the implied view that UserGroupContacts is a project with
> the aim of contacting user groups to see how we can help them, whose
> page contains information that helps volunteers for that project
> organize and document who we've contacted. That implies that the
> information should not be re-purposed as a page for the general public
> about LUGs in California, because there are more appropriate places
> online for that, and because that's outside the mission of the wiki.
> Considering that I don't think anyone's brought this option up before
> (and that I didn't think it through much because I'm tired), I'd be
> interested in comments about it :)
> ~ Robert

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