Remember you can always claim your money back for not using windows! <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6144782.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6144782.stm</a> 55quid is not bad. As barry sugested linuxemporium doesn't seem like a bad option: <a href="http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/hardware/hardware-laptops.html">http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/hardware/hardware-laptops.html</a> I use dell at work but they are windows machines so I can't judge. ************************************************************** <div id=":3v"> > 4. It's hard to find no OS or Ubuntu pre-loaded. Yes, you may have to > take the copy of Windows that comes with it, but I doubt you'll find a > _laptop_ that's cheaper without Windows, whatever you think of the > retail price of the OS. You can always get the install disc and load it > as a VM in Virtualbox. As I said, Dell supply the Inspiron 15R pre-loaded with Ubuntu. And you aren't expected to pay for a licence for an OS you'll never use. In the UK, ElpaTech <a href="http://www.elpatech.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.elpatech.co.uk/</a> offer a range of PC's pre-installed with Ubuntu and the prices are really good. Unfortunately they don't sell laptops, but I think the proprietor, Ed Barnard might help you source one. He's an Ubuntumaniac. Ed - are you out there? Help. Regards, Barry Drake. -- What do you see when you use your Computer? Same old thing? ...There IS a Better Way! Ubuntu!</div> -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella