<html><body>Hi Mel,<div><br /></div><div>Like yourself i'm new to the world of Linux having been in Microsoft Support since I left school. Unlike you I've never had the problem you describe but I have had instances on my old PC (NVidia 6600GT PCI-E card) with the Live CD's not booting properly or hanging on the boot up logo.</div><div><br /></div><div>I found downloading the "alternate" CD with the text based installer proved more fruitful and may allow you to be more specific with the command line switches that are loaded, maybe to load just a standard VGA driver instead of "trying" to load a compatibly NVidia one.</div><div><br /></div><div>Just a thought, I'm probably not the best placed to comment but as a newbie to Linux I thought I'd offer my 2 pence.</div><div><br /></div><div>I don't think the masses (at this point in time) would be installing Linux off their own back, or certainly not what I would consider as the masses, but if they did I agree they might be turned away but the sheer power of Linux and its need sometimes to be effectively be a "geek" to understand stuff. I agree the Live CD should be fairly point and click with lots of stable drivers to cater for all hardware but the way I look at it, the leaps and bounds Ubuntu is making, considering its free is enormous and maybe one day it'll have front end gui that allows even the most computer iliterate to operate it and install drivers etc, but for now its horses for courses in my opinion and we all need to feed our experiences back into the pot as it were to make sure these issues get ironed out. Afterall, we are downloading something that Microsoft would charge an arm and a leg for.....</div><div><br /></div><div>Paul.</div><div>
<br /><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntucom></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div><ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:03:25 +0100<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss<br /><br /><br />
Thanks for replys<br /><br />
I want to use Linux. I might use Windows, I might work with Windows, I <br />
have hated Windows since version 3 (I was there, it was good for its <br />
time), I have to admit I think they have finally got close with 7. I <br />
dont like Microsoft as a company and its actions, but I have to feed my <br />
family so I deal with it. Whilst this post might seem like I am anti <br />
Linux I am quite the opposite I am anti Windows and really want to use <br />
Linux. I have personally being trying to use Ubuntu since 7.04 but I <br />
don't have the time to faff to get a working machine when I can install <br />
XP or 7 fully loaded with drivers on virtually any machine in 3 hours or <br />
less.<br /><br />
Maybe I wasn't clear about my points about the live CD trial.<br /><br />
Tyler<br />
Windows does work without loading drivers. I have never yet had a PC <br />
that didnt give me a screen after installing Windows, as I said it might <br />
be 640*480 4 colour but at least I can work from there. Ubuntu gives me <br />
a blank screen, either out of range of the monitor, with only a mouse <br />
pointer or in the case of previous versions psychedelic dots and <br />
stripes. This means going to the commandline to install drivers - that <br />
just lost the majority of your audience.<br /><br />
How does the end user with a live CD in his hand disable kernel mode <br />
settings.<br /><br />
Al,<br />
Do you not hand out live CDs at various events, if they give the trier a <br />
black screen then they WILL end up in the bin. Whilst the masses might <br />
not install, a live cd is meant for the masses to try, is it not?<br /><br />
As a business we have to supply varying hardware, we cant even buy the <br />
same hardware we could 6 months ago. We can get most PCs fully setup <br />
ready to ship/deliver including Windows OS install in half a day, <br />
There's no way that could be true of Ubuntu, so it would not be economic <br />
to supply even if the OS was free.<br /><br />
Alan,<br />
I'm not a PC novice but I am a Linux novice. Not investigated how to <br />
log bugs yet, I can find out and might, but "the average enduser" wont.<br /><br />
If your Mum bought a blank PC she would ask someone who knew something <br />
about computers to install it, the are many time more people who could <br />
install Windows to get a working (maybe not optimum) PC, than could get <br />
Ubuntu working. My 10 year old son could get a working PC with XP or 7 <br />
and he's never done it before or been show how to do it, no way would he <br />
get Ubuntu working.<br /><br />
Roy<br />
Your point about the security issues in Windows are why I would like to <br />
move away for it, personally and in business but its not feasible at the <br />
moment. But my point is none of those solutions will work for the live <br />
CD, you have to take the plunge and install then delve into commandline, <br />
by which time you have potentialy trashed you PC. The point of the live <br />
CD is so you dont have to trash your PC.<br /><br />
Chris<br />
I am not asking for everything to work perfectly I am asking for a <br />
visible desktop I can start from.<br /><br />
How do I install the NVidia driver on the live CD, and how do I install <br />
the driver on my Phenom which I did a HDD install on but get "out of <br />
range video" after the restart. Sorry, I know the answer to the second <br />
but the average enduser doesnt (commandline and vi!).<br /><br />
I used the cd to see if my hardware will work and 3 out of 4 dont, the <br />
4th did until I installed it then it didn't. This is on a 6 year old <br />
laptop to a 6 month old Phenom II. I have access to many varied PCs so <br />
if I have time (whats that) will try a few more.<br /><br />
I suppose my point is from where i am standing Ubuntu is as difficult to <br />
get working now as it was over 3 years ago. I can find answers and have <br />
had working(ish) copies of Ubuntu, I just cant afford the time is takes <br />
to get there.<br /><br /><br />
Mel<br /><br /><br />
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