> PS - For someone with a Job title of "Senior IT Specialist" I am somewhat surprised you are using tools like webmin and swat which do not have the best reputations for security... Yea I can agree with you; however I do not always have the time or luxury of doing everything by hand and to some point I have to balance convenience with security and even though I try to follow good practise and even best practise on security I still sometimes prefer the GUI tools than to do stuff by hand + if you think about it if people do not use the GUI tools out there then they will never get better and then the "home" user population will not grow as the "home" user do not or can not mess with conf files and why would they as on Windows they do not have to Let me explain the title thing as I did get flak on it in the past as well and therefore please do not consider this as something directed to you but rather as a general comment; YET I stand by this title: it does not state Senior Linux/Windows IT Specialist or Senior IT Security Specialist and therefore I am continuously open to guidance and learning but I do know a large amount of IT stuff built up over many years in the field and therefore I do not consider myself as a Junior nor Mid-range, I also do not consider myself a generalist but a specialist and I specialise in IT so hence: Senior IT Specialist. Also If you think about it even if my title was "Dr or Prof. xyz in IT" then still it does not mean that I need to do everything by hand does it? :-) :-) thanx -- _________________________________________ Cornelius Mostert Senior IT Specialist United Kingdom: 075 2233 4818 International: 0044 75 2233 4818