<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Which says...<br><br>---quote---<br>"Proper quoting:</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes, I know what the guidelines say. As do at least 50% of the mailing list posters.<div><br></div><div>I respect that some may not, but they can read it in their own time.<br><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>And we've now had one person do it several times this morning (and<br>apologise for it in the same post) and another deliberately say "I<br>can't be bothered to cut from this second window on my Android phone,<br>so I bet you'll get top posting" which (of course) we did.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><b>Excuse Me?</b> He never <b>ONCE</b> said "I can't be bothered to cut from this second window".</div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes there are technical issues which mean that it is hard to no top-post, and I do not think that it is much of a problem.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>And the PROBLEM is that when you let guidelines be ignored 90% of the<br>time then "everybody jumps on the bandwagon" and things will get much<br>worse for those who don't want e-mails 200 lines long where only the<br>first 20 words are relevant.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>What, emails 200+ lines long like <b>yours</b>?</div><div><br></div><div>No-one is going to "Jump on the bandwagon". This is a mailing list for christ's sake, not a bloody gravy train.</div><div>People do it occasionally because they can't due to issues, because they are in a rush or because they just don't want to.</div><div>You are "punishing" the whole spectrum, whereas you should be focussing on the latter.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>And a "quiet private e-mail" wouldn't have initiated a discussion,<br>which is what I wanted to do. Because it's not just Neil Greenwood<br>who does it... David Jones just illustrated this, with a particularly<br>"wind up" e-mail where he top posted loads and loads of stuff "because<br>he could" -- that's not good, is it?</div></blockquote><br></div><div>Oh, so you wanted to stir it up? </div><div><br></div><div>And yes, a private email would have been better, as the person in question probably didn't want their email exploded across all four corners of the Ubuntu UK Mailing List.</div><div><br></div><div>And as for your previous email:</div><div><blockquote type="cite">If they are making phones that "make it impossible to not top post"<br>then "they" should be told of their mistake... are you saying the<br>iPhone does this, because if it does my friend Hugo is in charge of<br>that particular development at Apple in California and I can ask him<br>for his views on it... as somebody who has been on mailing lists, like<br>me, for years I think I can safely say that Hugo will say "no it<br>doesn't, they're just being lazy".</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>You do realise that we, mailing list users, equate for less than 25% of people worldwide - they are not going to make a special mailing list function for a phone for something like the iPhone, because there is <b>not a high enough demand</b>.</div><div>You may well have Hugo who is in charge of Apple Development, but if it doesn't need to be on a phone, they aren't going to put it in.</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On 7 Aug 2010, at 08:34, Sean Miller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 August 2010 08:14, Joe O'Dell <<a href="mailto:joseph.odell@googlemail.com">joseph.odell@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">For reference, for anyone that is actually bothered by mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">etiquette, here is the Ubuntu Mailing List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Guidelines: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists">http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists</a><br></blockquote><br><br>Proper quoting is very important on mailing lists, to ensure that it<br>is easy to follow the conversation. There are four fundamental rules:<br><br> *<br><br> When replying to an email, ensure that the email which you are<br>replying to is indented with a symbol such as > or | (this is usually<br>done from the preferences of your email client - most should do this<br>by default).<br> *<br><br> When quoting, attribute the quoted text to the person who wrote<br>it (again, most email clients will do this by default). Be careful to<br>attribute the correct text to the correct person.<br> *<br><br> Write your email underneath the email which you are replying to.<br> *<br><br> Tailor your reply to fit the text which you are replying to. Do<br>not quote the whole of the previous email - remove any unnecessary<br>text. To avoid confusion, it's often a good idea to replace removed<br>text with a brief indication that something has been removed, like<br>[snip]."<br>---end quote---<br><br>In other words, the Ubuntu Mailing List Guidelines specifically state<br>what people should be doing.<br><br><br><br>Can't we police this a little? As it's starting to annoy me...<br><br><br><br><br><br>Sean<br><br>-- <br><a href="mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk<br>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>