<div>If there is one really good thing to come out of this (other than simply visibility of our chosen O/S on the shelf) it's the fact that, in addition to the Suse/Lenovo offering, we now know of at least two laptops that can run linux without any major impediments - makes the purchase of my next laptop a much less fraught experience :) </div> <div> </div> <div>Pete</div> <div> </div> <div>  </div> <div>On 08/08/07, alan c <<a href="mailto:aeclist@candt.waitrose.com">aeclist@candt.waitrose.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Pete Stean wrote: > alan, cost is not an issue for me either - I wasn't really arguing > for myself when I talked about the identical pricing. What I was > thinking about was how could I possibly convince a friend or > relative who has a vague interest in running linux to buy the > linux-loaded Dell when they see that the vista machine is exactly > the same price (and they know that Vista is worth "something" in > monetary terms, but also that ubuntu is "free"). I can just predict > how that conversation would go - Jo Public buys on *price* not on > principles. Thus I can't see these linux Dells flying off the > shelves, and therefore Dell assuming that there is little interest, > when in fact there is but they just can't see it Accepted yes. I have found that people around me are influenced by what they see me do and by what I say. The various people who are using linux because of me directly have had it installed by me (!) and have based their trust in what they know of me. Their alternative is to find another 'advisor' (friend or family member, FOFM), or to trust the retail shop. Money is important I fully agree, and particularly for the uninformed and uncommitted. I do not think the Dell moves will directly influence uninformed people, but they will notice that an alternative suddenly exists. And yes they would take notice more quickly if there was a price drop. But this is a first step in a marketing process - visibility. Some of my friends will in the future want a dell ubuntu PC. Some will still want me to create a dual boot PC. IF Dell are offering the same as single boot, it will make it much easier to get the possibility accepted. I think Dell believe there is significant interest (profit) in linux. Micheal Dell bought into some Linux companies a few years ago I think, but his ventures were moderated (so I heard) apparently by the association with MS whereby Del was not prohibited from selling linux but were restrained from -promoting- it. The cleverness in the existing situation is that a user ideas forum has done the promoting itself! The line Dell is consistently taking is that this venture is customer led. No dell *promotion*. Which hopefully will tread the fine line they have to move along commercially. I think it would be a bad situation if by some means the Dell ubuntu PCs were very much cheaper just now because if a lot of uninformed purchases occurred, linux would get bad publicity from helpless users who could not get support from their neighbours. The commercial pressures Dell are under encourage a slow start, and this also allows the community, including FOFM's, to adjust and support, I hope. :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- <a href="mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk </a> <a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/</a> </blockquote></div>