<div>On 2/11/07, Philip Wyett <<a href="mailto:philip.wyett@gmail.com">philip.wyett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>On 09/02/07, Dean Sas <<a href="mailto:dean@deansas.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">dean@deansas.org</a> > wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Philip Wyett wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been reading about the Ubuntu / Linspire CNR deal and I have > some serious reservations about it. > > Will CNR be part of a default desktop installation? Not according to the FAQ that was released with the press release. We are to get some "CNR like" features eventually. I imagine this could tie in to the new totem hook which prompts you to enable multiverse and install codecs when playing patent encumbered videos, only perhaps referring you to CNR rather than the legally questionable packages.</blockquote><div> Well... In the FAQ we can see "CNR is added to the standard Ubuntu software installation method to complement existing functionality". This covers a multitude of sins and could mean many implementation methods. Someone needs to come out and honestly say what is the initial plans at this time; and make sure that person does not work in any PR or marketing department. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > > Ubuntu - Linux for human beings and not Linux to confuse the crap out of > folks > with more software installation methods than you can shake a stick at. Other > vendors have it right on this with many other software companies ... > Here is the way > you do it - The one way. How can anything be for human beings when you > can get "I installed this via this and this via that and now I have an > issue" - It > will cause so many problems for both users and add a large overhead to the > developers. > We currently have add/remove programs and synaptic, update-manager has a similar purpose too...</blockquote><div> These all pull from the same repositories, thus no additional overhead. Adding CNR means an additional 'uncontrolled' source of apps with possible build differences that could make MS DLL hell and RPM dep problems look like quite minor annoyances. Regards Phil </div> </div> -- <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/" target="_blank">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/</a> </blockquote> </div> OK I'm new here, so Hi to everyone. Now that's out of the way... I tried FreeSpire before ubuntu. There were several things I didn't like about it and one of those was CNR. Not the method, but the whole feel of the thing. It felt like I was in the bargain isle of a supermarket. It just didn't feel right to me. I can understand why there is a tie-up with the LinSpire guys. I'm not against the use of proprietary software, heck the first thing I do with a fresh install is download "Automatrix" If I have understood what I have read, Lin/FreeSpire will be based on ubuntu, so things shouldn't go too wrong. Also ubuntu will have it's own CNR interface rather than the gawdie CNR web site. -- Regards Steve Morrish... AKA Pendragon ICQ 112 044 096