<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;"></meta></head><style type="text/css">.Normal { text-align: left; text-indent:0pt; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; }</style><body>I see on the wiki page that the education project is getting started, would it be possible to get another ubuntu mailing list going that can be dedicated to education? I'd like our school to be a reference site for floss, but that's a selfish goal of mine as I like using Linux. However it would be really good to offer our students a choice between Linux and Windows at bootup. I've toyed with the idea of using Edubuntu and our current PC's as thin clients, they can all boot using PXE, I'm not sure if it's possible to configure either grub or some other boot manager that will either boot via PXE or HDD. Also I'm not sure about Edubuntu, is it aimed at younger kids? Ours are 11-18, might they see it a bit immature, or can it be tailored to suit? Lastly, another idea. About a week ago I came across a link to a floss program called iTALC. It allows teacher to monitor, control and perform demonstration to a classrooms with PC's. It is practically the same as a product used in schools called NetOP. Just this year we paid nearly £3000 for just two rooms for NetOP! Imagine my reaction to iTALC. Anyway this led me on to think, unless you're in the know about floss and you keep up to date how do you know what is out there that can be used in schools, I know of Schoolforge's software directory but it's clearly not the be and all of floss. I added iTALC to it btw. Could it be possible to create a newsletter / magazine etc that would focus on floss, reference sites etc and be sent to UK schools to educate their IT managers/Coordinators? In my school we get the freebie papers like IT weekly, Networking etc but they don't cover any aspect of floss in education. When I'm back to work, I'll work on the IT teachers. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-uk-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of James Tait Sent: Fri 12/29/2006 12:16 PM To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179 Hi All, There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth on the subject. Beginning with the article from Computer Active, I agree that it starts off sounding very positive before trundling off into the already-discussed Becta press statement, but I'll believe it when I see it. It's no secret that this country has a pretty appalling record when it comes to Government-led IT projects and I wouldn't expect a wholesale switch to FLOSS in education to be any different. If it does go ahead, we can only hope that we are able to help make it a raging success, or risk tarnishing the image of our community terribly. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Government policy change to make FLOSS the preferred solution except where not reasonably practical. I just think that with the history of Government IT cock-ups, this might just become another one, and FLOSS could end up being a very useful scapegoat. Jonathan Lees wrote: > I'm an IT manager at a secondary grammar school, I use Ubuntu at work > for a DHCP/NTP/Proxy/Filter server and at home for other activities. > Our Desktops at school are XP Pro, they have various bits of Open > source software such as Firefox, Audacity, The Gimp, OO, 7zip & NVU. Personally, I think this is a good start. As the saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day, so exposing people to FLOSS in an evironment in which they're familiar allows them to build confidence in, and raise awareness of the software. Once that confidence is established, the software makes its way onto machines at home, then other FLOSS hopefully follows. It also gives us the opportunity to get a "reference implementation" going, so that we can approach other schools and colleges with a proposal and say "we did it here and it worked well." Are there any details of the projects at the Open University and other colleges mentioned in the EDM? If we can get implementation details shared it gives everyone a base from which to start, rather than re-inventing the wheel in every school and college across the country. > OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage > from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch > it as it involves rewriting worksheets for students which have all > been based on MS Office. However whilst Writer and Spreadsheet > does'nt cause problems, the database package does. How much work would be involved in re-writing the worksheets to be applicable to "generic" office suites rather than MS Office specifically (Phil Bull already suggested this)? Would a community effort to re-work them help, or even be possible? > If resources or books were available then this would help greatly. On > the teach-ict resources website (www.teach-ict.com/) there are no > Open Office materials, which is a shame as the idea in school is to > teach transferrable skills and at the moment with the database > program it is unclear how to use it. Again, maybe a community effort could be set up to either re-work the existing resources to be applicable to a range of office suites, or alternatives offered that focus on OpenOffice. I'd prefer the former, as it promotes transferable skills rather than specific application knowledge, but then I'm not the teacher. > Our school cannot afford to dump all the training materials and money > invested in resources that are geared up to MS Office and of course > the money invested in the licences. Understood, I expect there'd be uproar if it was presented to the public as the school having shelled out a load of money for software which is being dumped even though it's still usable. > The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from > the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with > different abilities working at different paces and keeping to > government guidelines as to what they should be taught and get them > through SATS tests in ICT too. With no OO resources for teachers how > can they be expected to teach it? Well Jonathan, I guess you're our man on the inside then. It would be nice if we could get some kind of co-ordinated effort going for teachers to feed back into the FLOSS community to help us get these things right and provide the resources and information required. To address the point of students with different abilities, maybe the curriculum should be changed to a split model, with a core set of transferable skills which, if demonstrably mastered, would result in a "pass" grade, with extra credit awarded for demonstrating more advanced knowledge acquired by personal study? I think that's all from me for now. 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