[ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....

Bruno Girin brunogirin at gmail.com
Sun Apr 29 19:11:10 UTC 2012

On 29/04/12 19:37, Barry Drake wrote:
> On 29/04/12 18:58, Alan Bell wrote:
>> On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
>>> I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today
>> where exactly?
> Launchpad - at :https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu  This is not
> somewhere I usually lurk but it was so overwhelmed that I thought I'd
> put my two pence in.  Most of the questions I dealt with were after a
> clean install, and were fairly simple ones because the desktop is so
> different.
>>> as the questions were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few
>>> on board.  There are a vast number of folk who have virtually
>>> trashed their system by trying to do an upgrade.
>> it would be better to fix the problem
> I agree, but the problem is so widespread and well distributed that I
> don't think it is going to get fixed.  I think it is a product of the
> very high level of change between the distributions.

There aren't that many more changes than normal in this distribution
(apart from multi-arch) so if there are problems it's worth trying to
understand and fix them so that they can benefit the next release,
especially considering that this is an LTS so there will be dot releases.

>>>   are these upgrades from 10.04 or 11.10?
> Both basically.
>> What problems are people having?
> All manner of things varying from no control of sound, no sound at
> all, Libreoffice not working, bookmarks missing - to be honest just
> about everything you can think of.  As well as that there were various
> crash messages that nearly got fixed ....  I saw some of this and
> mentioned it on the list a few days ago.  Upgrading to 12.04 is
> disastrous.  I actually wonder if anyone has succeeded.

I did. On two machines with no problem. I don't think upgrading to 12.04
is disastrous. I think two things are happening:
1. Ubuntu has a very wide user base with a lot of different configs so
even if 1% of users have issues, it will appear as a very large number.
2. Up to now, it had only been people ready to try the alpha or beta who
had been upgrading. If something fundamental had been broken, it would
have been found then. The people now upgrading are the bulk of users
which results in much more varied hardware and software combination,
some of which may have issues.

There was a great talk by a Debian guy at FOSDEM earlier this year about
testing. He was explaining that the combination of hardware and software
out there is bewildering and asserting that among the attendees in the
auditorium (and even the whole conference), there was probably no two
machines with identical setup.



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