[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

Melv Bailey melvbailey at googlemail.com
Wed Oct 13 12:03:25 BST 2010

Thanks for replys

I want to use Linux.  I might use Windows, I might work with Windows, I 
have hated Windows since version 3 (I was there, it was good for its 
time), I have to admit I think they have finally got close with 7.  I 
dont like Microsoft as a company and its actions, but I have to feed my 
family so I deal with it.  Whilst this post might seem like I am anti 
Linux I am quite the opposite I am anti Windows and really want to use 
Linux. I have personally being trying to use Ubuntu since 7.04 but I 
don't have the time to faff to get a working machine when I can install 
XP or 7 fully loaded with drivers on virtually any machine in 3 hours or 

Maybe I wasn't clear about my points about the live CD trial.

Windows does work without loading drivers.  I have never yet had a PC 
that didnt give me a screen after installing Windows, as I said it might 
be 640*480 4 colour but at least I can work from there.  Ubuntu gives me 
a blank screen, either out of range of the monitor, with only a mouse 
pointer or in the case of previous versions psychedelic dots and 
stripes.  This means going to the commandline to install drivers - that 
just lost the majority of your audience.

How does the end user with a live CD in his hand disable kernel mode 

Do you not hand out live CDs at various events, if they give the trier a 
black screen then they WILL end up in the bin.  Whilst the masses might 
not install, a live cd is meant for the masses to try, is it not?

As a business we have to supply varying hardware, we cant even buy the 
same hardware we could 6 months ago.  We can get most PCs fully  setup 
ready to ship/deliver including  Windows OS install in half a day,  
There's no way that could be true of Ubuntu, so it would not be economic 
to supply even if the OS was free.

I'm not a PC novice but I am a Linux novice.  Not investigated how to 
log bugs yet, I can find out and might, but "the average enduser" wont.

If your Mum bought a blank PC she would ask someone who knew something 
about computers to install it,  the are many time more people who could 
install Windows to get a working (maybe not optimum) PC, than could get 
Ubuntu working.  My 10 year old son could get a working PC with XP or 7 
and he's never done it before or been show how to do it, no way would he 
get Ubuntu working.

Your point about the security issues in Windows are why I would like to 
move away for it, personally and in business but its not feasible at the 
moment.  But my point is none of those solutions will work for the live 
CD, you have to take the plunge and install then delve into commandline, 
by which time you have potentialy trashed you PC.  The point of the live 
CD is so you dont have to trash your PC.

I am not asking for everything to work perfectly I am asking for a 
visible desktop I can start from.

How do I install the NVidia driver on the live CD, and how do I install 
the driver on my Phenom which I did a HDD install on but get "out of 
range video" after the restart.  Sorry, I know the answer to the second 
but the average enduser doesnt (commandline and vi!).

I used the cd to see if my hardware will work and 3 out of 4 dont, the 
4th did until I installed it then it didn't.  This is on a 6 year old 
laptop to a 6 month old Phenom II.  I have access to many varied PCs so 
if I have time (whats that) will try a few more.

I suppose my point is from where i am standing Ubuntu is as difficult to 
get working now as it was over 3 years ago.  I can find answers and have 
had working(ish) copies of Ubuntu, I just cant afford the time is takes 
to get there.


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