[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 44

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Research Required (Barry Drake)
   2. Re:  [Fwd: Re: [Ubuntu-advertising] Research required ...]
      (Grant Sewell)
   3. Re:  Research Required (Neil Greenwood)
   4. Re:  Research Required (Colin Law)
   5.  Desktop backgrounds (Dianne Reuby)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:58:27 +0000
From: Barry Drake <bdrake at crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Research Required
To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 19:45 +0000, Nigel Verity wrote:
> I decided to create a system that would be as familiar to her as
> possible.
> I created desktop icons for the following basic applications:

Sorry about the silly post when I pressed the wrong button.  I really
like your approach.  Maybe we ought have a customised version similar to
that specifically for our purposes?  I wonder, would Canonical support
that approach in view of what we are doing?  I'm thinking that the
existing proposed desktop, especially with Unity, might not be best for
a Windows user.

A Windows familiar desktop would certainly help me in the way I work
promote Ubuntu.

My tagline here might need to be altered to YES exactly the same old
thing ....  folk don't like change ....
-- 
What do you see when you use your Computer? Same old thing?
...There IS a Better Way!  Ubuntu!




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:05:52 +0000
From: Grant Sewell <dcglug at thymox.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Fwd: Re: [Ubuntu-advertising] Research
	required ...]
To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:23:50 +0000
alan c wrote:

> On 28/12/10 09:53, Barry Drake wrote:
> 
> > In fact they will be very surprised not to
> > be asked to pay!
> 
> This is a recurring and apparent problem. A free app here or there 
> from an enthusiast group is one thing, maybe used in Windows, but a 
> complete freedom of a complete system, which one is going to rely on 
> for stable reliable trusted, ongoing use? How can that be free? Why
> is it free? Are they nuts?

I usually take the explanatory approach of football.  Most people,
whether they are "into" football or not, will appreciate that many of
the upper league's football players are very good at what they do...
and that some of them play matches for charitable causes (ie they do so
for no monetary gain of their own) and yet it doesn't mean they
instantly become rubbish football players.  The same goes for a large
portion of the Open Source / Free Software developer community - many
are software developers by trade and make their living doing just that;
they also happen to do the same thing for free for the benefit of the
community - it doesn't mean the software they produce for free is of
any lesser quality than that which they are getting paid to produce.

Grant.



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:08:45 +0000
From: Neil Greenwood <neil.greenwood.lug at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Research Required
To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On 28 December 2010 19:45, Nigel Verity <nigelverity at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All
>
>[snip]
> I installed Ubuntu 10.4 LTS. I removed the bottom task bar completely so as
> not to complicate matters with the concept of workspaces.

You should change the number of workspaces to 1, in case the keyboard
shortcuts are accidentally used to change workspaces: "Argh, all my
windows suddenly disappeared!"


Cofion/Regards,
Neil.



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:20:11 +0000
From: Colin Law <clanlaw at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Research Required
To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On 28 December 2010 19:45, Nigel Verity <nigelverity at hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> I installed Ubuntu 10.4 LTS. I removed the bottom task bar completely so as
> not to complicate matters with the concept of workspaces. I moved the top
> task bar to the bottom of the screen, then added the task list applet so
> that open applications would each be represented by a familiar button. I
> removed the Firefox and Help icons to complete the Windows look-and-feel as
> far as possible.

My experience with setting up Windows users with Ubuntu has been that
the top and bottom bars have not been an issue.  Users are, after all,
experienced with application menus and toolbars at the top of windows,
which is more or less what the top bar is.  I think trying to make it
as much like Windows as possible is unnecessary.  Better to
concentrate on making users aware that they are getting something
better, they then expect it to be different, and as long as the
operation is logical and simple there will be few problems.  If we try
to convince users that they are getting a windows clone they may
complain about the differences that they will find.  If we convince
them they are getting something that is better (_and_ free) then they
are more likely to accept the differences, or even revel in them.

By all means set the workspaces to one to get rid of that complexity though.

Colin



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:00:22 +0000
From: Dianne Reuby <pramclub at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Desktop backgrounds
To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1293620422.2724.9.camel at dianne-desktop>
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When I upgraded/installed 10.10, I chose one of the pre-installed
desktop backgrounds (a sort of shades-of-blue photo of a pier). A few
weeks ago I downloaded a Christmas background.

Yesterday I went to change it back, but the pre-installed background I'd
used before wasn't there. No probs - I downloaded one I liked from
art.gnome.

But do the updates change those pre-installed backgrounds? Can't see
that they would. Why bother? So where has it gone?

Dianne
PS I was given a copy of the Ubuntu Linux Toolbox for Christmas - my
questions will now be trivial and pointless as I shall be asking the
Book all other questions. :)




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