[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 27 Etc.
g.armstrong-bridges at tiscali.co.uk
g.armstrong-bridges at tiscali.co.uk
Wed Mar 12 13:32:18 GMT 2008
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I have been a windows user (no hoper) for ten
years+ I started when it didnt have version
numbers.
My Ubuntu (Gutsy) takes 15 minutes to boot with
hundreds of errors and "not fixing automatically"
messages.
Where should I go for help.
is there a Ubuntu for windows users help file?
Keith R. Armstrong-Bridges. CITP. MBCS
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: [Marketing] How to increase OSS
Exposure (Chris Rowson)
> 2. Re: Ubuntu Demo Day (Rob Beard)
> 3. Re: Upgrade to Hardy: Fail! (James
Westby)
> 4. Re: Ubuntu Demo Day (Dianne Reuby)
> 5. Re: If you had a wiki, which wiki would
you wiki with?
> (Dave Murphy)
> 6. Re: Ubuntu Demo Day (Rob Beard)
> 7. Re: Upgrade to Hardy: Fail! (Stephen
Garton)
> 8. Re: Music to your ears, something new
for the UK (Alistair Crust)
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:55:56 +0000
>From: "Chris Rowson" <christopherrowson at gmail.
com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to
increase OSS Exposure
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.
ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<d6c346600803111455gf02343cubf99d79085ebbcfa at mail.
gmail.com>
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>I think that marketing Ubuntu and FOSS together
mightn't always be the
>best way to move forward.
>
>I've written about this before, and I know it's
an unpopular view, but
>sometimes I think that people who might be
interested in Ubuntu might
>be a bit put off by open source evangelism.
>
>Sometimes I think we have to pick our battles.
It might be a case of
>getting someone into Ubuntu first, then getting
them into the concepts
>of FOSS once they have taken 'the bait' of
Ubuntu.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:59:44 +0000
>From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.
com>
>Message-ID: <47D700D0.6080906 at esdelle.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
format=flowed
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>Dianne Reuby wrote:
>> Just to confirm the demo day is set for April
26, from 10 til 4. The
>> website has been a severe pain in the
posterior for ages, and the newish
>> CMS just don't want to work right! It's
embarrassing for a computer
>> museum, but there it is. If anyone wants the
alternative activities
>> sheet for partners and families, do email me
direct and I'll send it out
>> as we can't seem to add to the site at the
moment.
>>
>>
>> Dianne Reuby
>> Collections Manager
>> Museum of Computing @ Swindon
>> http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk
>
>Hi Dianne,
>
>I'm going to mention the Ubuntu Demo Day in our
local LUG mailing list.
> I just wondered how close the University is
to Swindon Railway Station?
>
>What I'm thinking is First Great Western are
advertising cheap advanced
>tickets for rail travel, and since I got
completely lost on the way back
>from the Challenge Santa day (stupid Sat Nav,
even more stupid driver!),
>I figured a train might be the easy option (and
it saves a few of us
>DCLugers driving up in 2 or 3 cars or getting a
mini-bus).
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:11:24 +0000
>From: James Westby <jw+debian at jameswestby.net>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy:
Fail!
>To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <1205273484.6161.51.camel at flash>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 20:45 +0000, Stephen
Garton wrote:
>> Evening all,
>>
>> I wanted to help log bugs etc in Hardy, but
have hit a bit of a snag-
>> I can't do anything apart from boot into
recovery mode from grub! If I
>> choose(or let grub choose) the default
kernel, I get nothing.
>>
>> I can manually start up eth0 from the
recovery console, is there any
>> way I can downgrade to gutsy from the command
line?
>
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for trying to help. I'm sorry it's not
going well for you
>so far.
>
>The error messages that you get before being
dropped in to the shell
>would help us to diagnose the problem and try
and fix it. Can you
>transcribe at least the last few lines in to an
email?
>
>Also, it may be a kernel issue, do you have
other kernels still
>available in the grub menu?
>
>Thanks,
>
>James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:21:43 +0000
>From: Dianne Reuby <pramclub at yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.
com>
>Message-ID: <1205274103.6370.5.camel at dianne-
desktop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>Hi Rob,
>
>The Uni is about 20 minutes by bus - the main
departure/arrival point is
>about a 5 minute walk from the station. Our
buses don't give change, so
>you need the exact fare - adult single is ?1,
return ?1.90 to Oakfield
>Campus.
>
>There are always taxis at the station - I think
the fare is about ?5,
>but I can check on that for you if you want.
>
>Let me know if you need more details,
>
>Dianne
>
>
>On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:59 +0000, Rob Beard
wrote:
>> Dianne Reuby wrote:
>> > Just to confirm the demo day is set for
April 26, from 10 til 4. The
>> > website has been a severe pain in the
posterior for ages, and the newish
>> > CMS just don't want to work right! It's
embarrassing for a computer
>> > museum, but there it is. If anyone wants
the alternative activities
>> > sheet for partners and families, do email
me direct and I'll send it out
>> > as we can't seem to add to the site at the
moment.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dianne Reuby
>> > Collections Manager
>> > Museum of Computing @ Swindon
>> > http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk
>>
>> Hi Dianne,
>>
>> I'm going to mention the Ubuntu Demo Day in
our local LUG mailing list.
>> I just wondered how close the University is
to Swindon Railway Station?
>>
>> What I'm thinking is First Great Western are
advertising cheap advanced
>> tickets for rail travel, and since I got
completely lost on the way back
>> from the Challenge Santa day (stupid Sat Nav,
even more stupid driver!),
>> I figured a train might be the easy option
(and it saves a few of us
>> DCLugers driving up in 2 or 3 cars or getting
a mini-bus).
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:35:09 +0000
>From: Dave Murphy <dave at schwuk.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] If you had a wiki,
which wiki would you wiki
> with?
>To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <20080311233509.744e7dc8 at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:17:35 +0000
>Dave Murphy <dave at schwuk.com> wrote:
>> I ended going with DokuWiki. Not 100% happy
with it, but it installed
>> a helluva lot easier than Moin!
>
>I doubt anyone will care, but I've now switched
to Moin. I actually
>prefer the features of DokuWiki, but the vast
majority of wikis I
>interact with use Moin, so having a common
syntax is much easier.
>--
>Dave Murphy - http://schwuk.com
>Get in touch - http://schwuk.com/contact
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:48:41 +0000
>From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Demo Day
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.
com>
>Message-ID: <47D71A59.5020000 at esdelle.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
format=flowed
>
>Dianne Reuby wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> The Uni is about 20 minutes by bus - the main
departure/arrival point is
>> about a 5 minute walk from the station. Our
buses don't give change, so
>> you need the exact fare - adult single is ?1,
return ?1.90 to Oakfield
>> Campus.
>>
>> There are always taxis at the station - I
think the fare is about ?5,
>> but I can check on that for you if you want.
>>
>> Let me know if you need more details,
>>
>> Dianne
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:59 +0000, Rob Beard
wrote:
>>> Dianne Reuby wrote:
>>>> Just to confirm the demo day is set for
April 26, from 10 til 4. The
>>>> website has been a severe pain in the
posterior for ages, and the newish
>>>> CMS just don't want to work right! It's
embarrassing for a computer
>>>> museum, but there it is. If anyone wants
the alternative activities
>>>> sheet for partners and families, do email
me direct and I'll send it out
>>>> as we can't seem to add to the site at the
moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dianne Reuby
>>>> Collections Manager
>>>> Museum of Computing @ Swindon
>>>> http://www.museum-of-computing.org.uk
>
>
>Okay thanks Dianne,
>
>I think I'll check about a mini-bus too if
there's enough interest in
>our local LUG.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:11:46 +0000
>From: "Stephen Garton" <sheepeatingtaz at gmail.
com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade to Hardy:
Fail!
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.
ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>
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gmail.com>
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>
>Morning all,
>
>On 11/03/2008, James Westby
<jw+debian at jameswestby.net> wrote:
>>
>> The error messages that you get before being
dropped in to the shell
>> would help us to diagnose the problem and
try and fix it. Can you
>> transcribe at least the last few lines in to
an email?
>>
>I'm not getting any error messages, as far as I
can tell. If I choose
>a 'normal' kernal in Grub, I just get a black
screen. Selecting a
>recovery mode takes me to a root recovery
shell. When typing 'exit'
>into the shell (a command which would normally
continue the boot
>process in my experience) I get the same black
screen.
>
>> Also, it may be a kernel issue, do you have
other kernels still
>> available in the grub menu?
>
>I do have other kernels, but have the same
problems with all.
>
>Rob Beard Wrote:
>>Does it get as far as the login screen?
>
>It didn't... (see below for updated progress)
>
>>I had a bit of an issue with an ATI video card
on Ubuntu 7.10 where it
>>tried to put the monitor in a resolution that
wasn't supported by my
>>monitor.
>
>It a laptop with integrated Intel card.
>
>>Just a thought too, you could always try re-
configuring X with the command:
>>X -configure
>
>Update- I had tried to sort with dpkg-
reconfigure xserver-xorg from
>the recovery console (not heard of x-configure
before) so I reverted
>to a backup of xorg.conf from before upgrading.
I can now get to GDM.
>It also seems it was not mounting my /home
partition on boot, so I
>have now editing /etc/fstab by hand from
UUID=blahblah back to 'the
>way it used to be back in the day' i.e.
/dev/sda2. /home now gets
>mounted.
>
>However, once I get to grub, the touchpad (or
USB mouse if plugged in)
>doesn't respond, and after typing in my user
name and password,
>nothing happens after the boxes are greyed out.
>
>I think I've junked it, but would still like to
try to downgrade if it
>is possible. Things are backed up, and /home is
on a separate
>partition anyway.
>
>Help still appreciated,
>--
>Steve Garton
>http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:10:11 +0000
>From: Alistair Crust <alistair at skegnessgrammar.
org>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears,
something new for the UK
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.
com>
>Message-ID: <1205320211.29814.46.
camel at astronomix.ict.sgs>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:03 +0000, alan c
wrote:
>> Alan Pope wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> I really like the idea of a Ubuntu-UK
podcast, I cannot listen to it
>> yet and am looking forward to it.
>>
>> The main issue here seems to be one of people
identifying with
>> Ubuntu-UK yet feeling alienated from a UK
branded, creative, event. In
>> saying this I emphasise that this does not
mean I believe that they
>> either were, or were not, alienated.
>>
>> > In my opinion we had a common consensus
"Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast".
>>
>> I have no problem with this, I did not follow
its discussion anyway. I
>> am also ok if a bunch of people who want to,
and who can, actually get
>> to do it and do not wait for greater
authority, other comments, whatever.
>>
>> However, there might have been advantage in a
pre publication 'press
>> release' say, when more than half way through
the process. If
>> resources were available, a few Q&A and
comments. This would have
>> enabled some others to identify with the
activity rather than later
>> being taken unawares. Pre-pub press release
or similar with the
>> intention to inform is useful in a dispersed
group to assist in
>> cohesion. Such a press release does not
invite creative feeback or
>> review, just informs of actions and impending
events. This can
>> strengthen the self confidence of the wider
team.
>>
>> Surprises are almost always of negative
effect and if they can avoided
>> all the better. If the surprise is
intentional, (hopefully not), then
>> the motives need review I suggest.
>>
>> I look forward to more podcasts. FWIW the
only podcast I (previously)
>> listened to is the linux action show.
>> --
>> alan cocks
>> Kubuntu user#10391
>>
>
>Motives and politics aside the whole "surprise"
thing and the posts by
>Chris Rowson (and subsequent discussion) have
(and slightly counter
>intuitively some may say) actually been
constructive and helped. My
>reasoning is this:
>
>What are we all talking about now.... Ubuntu-UK
podcast!, that's what.
>That in itself has raised awareness of its
existence and can only be a
>good thing in my opinion.
>
>Secondly Chris's posts, the discussion that has
evolved and the issue of
>inclusion and open discussion of the project.
This has, as I see it, had
>an affect that people who may not have
expressed opinion are feeling
>compelled to write posts (I include myself in
this being a rather quiet
>member of late), give praise, comments,
suggestions etc etc... aka "Get
>Involved". This too can only be a good thing in
my opinion and would not
>have happened without "the surprise" triggering
his posts.
>
>At this point though I would like to make an
analogy. if you follow what
>is meant then great, if you don't then
congratulations you've just seen
>an insight into my very odd mind.
>
>Alcohol.. drink just a little can be a good
thing, carry on drinking and
>people do stupid things and/or pass-out
(amongst other things). As I see
>it it's the same with complaining about things
past! So I call to put
>complaining aside and concentrate on the walk
back home to the nice warm
>bed.
>
>I believe no harm is done, the project has been
realised AND people have
>been told about it an asked for comments,
sugestions... to help.
>
>I would like to point out though in Chris's
defence had that not
>happened (the project remaining closed for
assistance) then I think he
>would have had a fully valid point. That
however "didn't" happen so is a
>mute point in this instance.
>
>So now the project is running and "open" lets
move to helping out "now"
>rather than spending our efforts debating the
finer points of "then". I
>plan on doing my bit by promoting the podcast
within our school and
>possibly getting the kids to do reviews and
suggestions.
>
>
>Kind regards
>--
>Alistair Crust <alistair at skegnessgrammar.org>
>Systems Administrator
>Skegness Grammar School
>Vernon Road
>Skegness
>Lincs
>PE252QS
>Tel: 01754610000
>
>
>
>
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