jlk at osml.eu
Fri May 4 19:48:46 BST 2007
Mark Harrison wrote:
> You make a lot of good points.
> 1: Your list of extra applications that users want that I'd not come up
> with is excellent, and I'd certainly want to include it.
> 2: Your observations about the "ongoing licencing cost of carrying on
> with the copy of Windows you already have doesn't take into account
> Anti-Virus and other subscriptions" is a DAMNED GOOD ONE, and gives me a
> fantastically better answer to the "so what if it's free - I've already
> got Windows" argument when talking about "as in pizza."
> BTW, I know that pizza isn't the traditional one here, but I don't drink
> beer, and the phrase "free, as in red wine" just doesn't translate :-)
> I want to further explain myself in a couple of areas, and disagree with
> you on one :-)
> 1: The logic of the "linux is stable... most of the www and email
> servers use it" was not intended to imply "These people use it, and they
> have needs similar to yours..." Instead it was meant to imply "The kind
> of people who REALLY care about their machines not crashing choose
> Linux", and "because Linux is build to this level of reliability, then
> it's certainly going to be reliable enough for your needs."
> 2: The NTL problem is specific to some regions. NTL have grown not by
> rolling out a standard system, but by buying up legacy local cable
> companies. As a result of this, there is a mismash of odd "cable
> broadband" solutions out there under the NTL brand. (This is why I wrote
> "...in some areas.") In some areas, for example Clanfield (just north of
> Porstmouth), a friend of mine had exactly this problem. The broadband
> solution was two-box - a set-top-box that was provided, and a specific
> USB network card, that came with Windows software that "registered" as a
> one-off, the MAC address of the NTL card with a particular subscriber.
> Looking back, I was trying to set up a router as well as a Linux box,
> and in the end the only way we could get it to work was to firstly
> register the MAC address in Windows, then go into the router's config
> and use MAC address spoofing to make it look as if it was the USB thing
> that NTL had supplied, then set up the linux box via the router. This is
> why I said something that boiled down to that "you may need a local
> expert to set this kind of thing up". Had it been a single PC running
> Windows, it all worked out of the box.
> 3: I want to disagree with you on one thing you pulled me up for. And
> it's a "taken in context" disagreement rather than an absolute
> I wrote:
> >>Ubuntu applies a set of defaults that mean that, even if a user
> clicks on a virus by mistake, they won't make it infect the PC.
> You responded:
> > Don't just single out Ubuntu for praise. All *nix's share these
> Firstly: We're in the middle of a thread about Marketing on the
> Ubuntu-UK mailing list :-) I make no apology for promoting Ubuntu
> generally, but specially not on this particular list :-)
Apologies. I forgot that the thread was Ubuntu.
> Secondly: It is, alas, not true that all *nix's share these attributes.
> There have been well-publicised examples of Linux distributions where
> the ONLY user account created was root, and that all applications the
> user ran ran as root. I agree it doesn't apply to Debian / Suse / Gentoo
> / Fedora / [insert your favourite here], but the point behind this is
> that the security model is only as secure as its set of default choices.
> I wanted to allude to the fact that in choosing Linux, the average user
> is in fact choosing a specific distribution, and wanted to play up (as I
> did again later about applications working together) Ubuntu as a good
> choice :-)
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