[ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...

Wed Jul 25 10:30:45 BST 2007

The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install
things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet
access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE
schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small 
.debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are? As
to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody
must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere?

Steven Pepperell

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>    1.  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c)
>    2.  Repos on a Disk (Ian Pascoe)
>    3.  Hardware Offers (Ian Pascoe)
>    4.  USB Drives (Ian Pascoe)
>    5. Re:  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Ian Pascoe)
>    6. Re:  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Lucy)
>    7. Re:  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c)
>    8. Re:  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (alan c)
>    9. Re:  Repos on a Disk (alan c)
>   10. Re:  [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack!!!! (alan c)
>   11. Re:  Users - disabled or learning difficulty (Ian Pascoe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:37:10 +0100
> From: alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46A638C6.4010908 at candt.waitrose.com>
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>
> I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a
> facility of a few PCs for use by their clients.
>
> I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest -
> comments would be welcomed.
>
> My knowledge of software for such users only brings to mind
> proprietary software  (on windows). The charity has a small
> organisation which is apparently only familiar with windows, and is
> taking advice from another charity which ultimately is heavily funded
> by a well resourced very large software company (ms).
>
> I will do my best in the cause of Ubuntu however, it its a bit
> unlikely that there will be a major culture change just because I
> happened to walk through the door today.
>
> A related question:
> If I happen to be successful, they will need some measure of support,
> ideally several part time volunteers. Is anyone in the bracknell area
> who would be prepared to help a charity with Ubuntu on a free basis or
> very low rates?
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100
> From: "Ian Pascoe" <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Repos on a Disk
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<BJEBIDFAKAGIFDCKKHILKEAODFAA.softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
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>
> Hi-de-hi
>
> Popey floated an idea a little while back about putting the entire Ubuntu
> Repository onto a portable HD for use by those who don't have the ability
> to connect to the Internet or only over dial-up.
>
> Just to bring to everyones attention that the apt-get series of commands
> appears to have been enhanced to do exactly this apt-get mirror for
> example.
>
> E
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100
> From: "Ian Pascoe" <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Hardware Offers
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<BJEBIDFAKAGIFDCKKHILMEAODFAA.softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Following on from the Repos posting, I've just got a mail shot from Amazon
> advising on "special offer" prices on laptops and portable HDs until
> 29/07/07.  Haven't had chance to look muyself yet though - normal
> disclaimer.
>
> E
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:40:54 +0100
> From: "Ian Pascoe" <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] USB Drives
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<BJEBIDFAKAGIFDCKKHILOEAODFAA.softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
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>
> OK, I've got back to this one again.
>
> Still can't see it eithre on the desktop or within Nautilus.
>
> Anyone got any ideas how I can get it to appear?
>
> E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Pascoe [mailto:softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com]
> Sent: 06 June 2007 21:33
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: RE: [ubuntu-uk] FW: USB Drives
>
>
> Hi Folks
>
> This is the output from DMESG that's relevant:
>
> [  166.971816] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address
> 2
> [  167.148024] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> [  167.355842] usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual
> [  167.521034] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> [  167.521236] scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> [  167.521351] usb-storage: device found at 2
> [  167.521355] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
> [  167.521377] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
> [  167.521382] USB Mass Storage support registered.
> [  172.519752] usb-storage: device scan complete
> [  172.654151] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address 2
> [  172.938072] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address 2
> [  173.225982] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address 2
> [  173.505899] usb 1-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address 2
> [  811.740825] agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
> [  811.741410] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 1x mode
> [  811.741860] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 1x mode
> [ 1298.786443] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2
> [ 1386.208376] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
> address
> 3
> [ 1386.384570] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> [ 1386.386686] scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> [ 1386.386945] usb-storage: device found at 3
> [ 1386.386951] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
>
> And the output from MOUNT
>
> /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
> /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
> /dev/hdb3 on /media/hdb3 type vfat (rw,utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
> /dev/hdb4 on /media/hdb4 type vfat (rw,utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
>
> If I'm reading these two logs right, it sees the USB device and gets the
> necessary drives up and running, but after that I don't understand it!
>
> E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com]On Behalf Of Alan Pope
> Sent: 05 June 2007 09:11
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] FW: USB Drives
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 01:58 +0100, Michael Wood wrote:
>> I wouldn't bother with faffing around with dmesg output right yet.
>>
>
> In the chain of problem diagnosis it makes sense to use dmesg first
> because this is the first place the system reports the discovery of the
> device. Running dmesg takes no more or less time than fdisk, and could
> be more reliable - see below.
>
>> It's worth checking the output of the command fdisk -l (not run as sudo)
>> after you have plugged in the device.
>> If there is output then you will have all the info you need to mount it.
>>
>
> Not quite correct. There will always be output if you have any fixed
> disks, you will just get _more_ output once you have a USB disk
> attached.
>
>> if you get something like that you can manually mount it using `pmount
>> /dev/xxxx`
>>
>
> pmount isn't the way we mount disks anymore AIUI. We use
> gnome-volume-manager.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:54:08 +0100
> From: "Ian Pascoe" <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<BJEBIDFAKAGIFDCKKHILKEAPDFAA.softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Alan
>
> Well snooped!
>
> What does the charity do that requires it to set up a small PC group for
> it's clients; any idea what they're looking for yet?
>
> Unfortunately, living on the Isle of Worcestershire I will have to bow out
> gracefully from the hands on support.
>
> E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com]On Behalf Of alan c
> Sent: 24 July 2007 18:37
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
>
>
> I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a
> facility of a few PCs for use by their clients.
>
> I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest -
> comments would be welcomed.
>
> My knowledge of software for such users only brings to mind
> proprietary software  (on windows). The charity has a small
> organisation which is apparently only familiar with windows, and is
> taking advice from another charity which ultimately is heavily funded
> by a well resourced very large software company (ms).
>
> I will do my best in the cause of Ubuntu however, it its a bit
> unlikely that there will be a major culture change just because I
> happened to walk through the door today.
>
> A related question:
> If I happen to be successful, they will need some measure of support,
> ideally several part time volunteers. Is anyone in the bracknell area
> who would be prepared to help a charity with Ubuntu on a free basis or
> very low rates?
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
> --
> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:34:59 +0100
> From: Lucy <lucybridges at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<a4b4319c0707241134i4fcab09ah7d75134c65eb8362 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 24/07/07, alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>> I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a
>> facility of a few PCs for use by their clients.
>>
>> I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest -
>> comments would be welcomed.
>>
>
> It depends on the requirements of your users (specific disabilities,
> etc). You might want to try the mailing list for the Ubuntu For All
> umbrella group:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
>
> Or more specifically, the Accessibility group:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:40:43 +0100
> From: alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46A655BB.4040707 at candt.waitrose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> Alan
>>
>> Well snooped!
>>
>> What does the charity do that requires it to set up a small PC group for
>> it's clients; any idea what they're looking for yet?
>
> The client base is about two dozen people with learning difficulty.
> Various abilities, some have completed local courses including ms
> publisher. Some are not literate but have graphics or signing
> capabilities. Though lacking some abilities many would take for
> granted, they often have surprisingly good other abilities and are
> usually living independently.
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:47:43 +0100
> From: alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46A6575F.1070606 at candt.waitrose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Lucy wrote:
>> On 24/07/07, alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>>> I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a
>>> facility of a few PCs for use by their clients.
>>>
>>> I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest -
>>> comments would be welcomed.
>>>
>>
>> It depends on the requirements of your users (specific disabilities,
>> etc). You might want to try the mailing list for the Ubuntu For All
>> umbrella group:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
>>
>> Or more specifically, the Accessibility group:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility
>
> Thanks - I will join a list
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:49:35 +0100
> From: alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repos on a Disk
> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46A657CF.7010002 at candt.waitrose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>> Hi-de-hi
>>
>> Popey floated an idea a little while back about putting the entire
>> Ubuntu
>> Repository onto a portable HD for use by those who don't have the
>> ability
>> to connect to the Internet or only over dial-up.
>>
>> Just to bring to everyones attention that the apt-get series of commands
>> appears to have been enhanced to do exactly this apt-get mirror for
>> example.
>>
>> E
>
> Excellent Idea, and one I would follow up - further details
> appreciated please?
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:53:20 +0100
> From: alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack!!!!
> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46A658B0.4000703 at candt.waitrose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Chris Rowson wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> <enthusiasm>
>>
>> I'm feeling in a militant mood today!
>>
>> Check out our first article for publishing in local magazines:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing/ArticleForLocalMagazine
>>
>> You'll notice that I've created a submissions table at the bottom to
>> track where this article goes. Why not give it a bash, and if you like
>> it, submit it to your own magazine, student or work publication?
>>
>> Of course you don't have to use that particular article, feel free to
>> create your own and use that instead. But if you do, please put it
>> onto the wiki so we can all use it. A good place to link to your
>> article from would be here:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing#head-444a1c3c32b9574071fade666e86f7b79444a50c
>>
>> </enthusiasm>
>>
>> Chris
>
> Well done Chris.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Kubuntu user#10391
> Linux user #360648
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:46:46 +0100
> From: "Ian Pascoe" <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<BJEBIDFAKAGIFDCKKHILCEBFDFAA.softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Just for those of you who are interested, here's a copy of my reply to
> Alan
> on the Accessability list.
>
> Alan, apologies just realised I replied direct to you and not through the
> list!
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Hi Alan
>
> Sorry to jump lists on this one.
>
> The majority of the Accessability stuff you will find under the standard
> Ubuntu desktop ie the GNOME desktop.
>
> Within that you have
>
> * sticky keys
> * on screen keyboards for use with head pointers etc
> * screen readers
> * braille support for braille dot matrix writers
> * screen magnification
>
> There is currently NO support at all for Speech to Text like DragonSpeak
> in
> MS.
>
> Unfortunately, the support for all of these depends on the original
> projects
> having used an appropriate library that interfaces with the Assistive
> Technologies interfaces.  At present this is really limited to Open
> Office,
> Evolution and GAME.
>
> Firefox should be accessable when FF 3 is launched which hopefully will be
> packaged into Gutsy.
> ----------------------------------------
> Cheers
>
> E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-uk-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com]On Behalf Of alan c
> Sent: 24 July 2007 20:48
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Users - disabled or learning difficulty
>
>
> Lucy wrote:
>> On 24/07/07, alan c <aeclist at candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>>> I have made contact with a local charity who are soon to create a
>>> facility of a few PCs for use by their clients.
>>>
>>> I am not aware of a Ubuntu related group which has such an interest -
>>> comments would be welcomed.
>>>
>>
>> It depends on the requirements of your users (specific disabilities,
>> etc). You might want to try the mailing list for the Ubuntu For All
>> umbrella group:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
>>
>> Or more specifically, the Accessibility group:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility
>
> Thanks - I will join a list
> --
> alan cocks
> Kubuntu user#10391
>
> --
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
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>
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