<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19370"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19380">"</span><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19381">10-15 years until they are mature, I really don't get why phone</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382">development is not being given the same chance.<span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">"</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19889">Nokia did not. The Problem with this phone was that it was never a phone: "first things first". If the phone used to function properly as a phone (NOKIA 3210), there would be a platform to develop it further (to Nokia N52). Ubuntu Phone was like a Maseratti without wheels: convergence yes, but You can not hear a call or an incoming message nor synchronize Your contacts.</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_20051">This is already the second time when I see how all the hard work goes down the drain: You didn't mention Ubuntu is going back to GNOME. All we did for GNOME 2 was killed with the immature Unity idea (I tried to work with this environment twice and one day I decided to switch to MATE-Unity was like a step back from a 101-keyboard to a 12-button cellphone).</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_20419">All what someone does over there (Canonical) is splitting the community (GNOME to Unity switch + now killing UTouch) and discouraging people who sacrificed their time. I'm happy that apart from the phone project I didn't waste to much time translating Unity.</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Flooded in grief</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19382"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">GTriderXC</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19371"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19388" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19387"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19386"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19385"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19633"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19632"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 7, 2017 2:00 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> ubuntu-translators Digest, Vol 151, Issue 3<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19389"><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19457">Send ubuntu-translators mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19445"> <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19444"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19443">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19441"> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19442">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19440"> <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19439">ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19438">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19397"> <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19437"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19400">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19401">than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-translators digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19402"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19403">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19404"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491643889513_19405"> 1. Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (F?ram na G?idhlig)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 10:08:00 +0200<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: F?ram na G?idhlig <<a ymailto="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net" href="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net">fios@foramnagaidhlig.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Neil Jerram <<a ymailto="mailto:neil@tigera.io" href="mailto:neil@tigera.io">neil@tigera.io</a>>,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>, Ubuntu Translators<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:38522ef2-03ac-6c1c-0050-363103305363@foramnagaidhlig.net" href="mailto:38522ef2-03ac-6c1c-0050-363103305363@foramnagaidhlig.net">38522ef2-03ac-6c1c-0050-363103305363@foramnagaidhlig.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Well, that's a tinker phone. Nice for geeks like us, but for the average<br></div><div dir="ltr">user, not so much. I am talking about a phone for the average<br></div><div dir="ltr">computer-illierate who doesn't know any more about computer than swipe &<br></div><div dir="ltr">tap. We really need something out-of-the-box.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Even as a computer literate, I estimate that I'l need to spend at least<br></div><div dir="ltr">half an hour on their homepage doing some RTFM before I'll even<br></div><div dir="ltr">understand how to get the thing.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>From my experience as a localizer, most big FLOSS projects take about<br></div><div dir="ltr">10-15 years until they are mature, I really don't get why phone<br></div><div dir="ltr">development is not being given the same chance.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sgr?obh Neil Jerram na leanas 07/04/2017 aig 09:46:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> If a free (libre) smartphone is your interest, the place to be is the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> GTA04 community (<a href="http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/" target="_blank">http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/</a>).<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:50 PM F?ram na G?idhlig<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net" href="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net">fios@foramnagaidhlig.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net" href="mailto:fios@foramnagaidhlig.net">fios@foramnagaidhlig.net</a>>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hi all,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Canonical is axing the developement of the phone and tablet:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/" target="_blank">https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Same story as with what Mozilla did to us: We spent years developing a<br></div><div dir="ltr">> phone, localizing and creating a keyboard and a couple 100$ on devices<br></div><div dir="ltr">> out of our private purses for testing, only for the project to be axed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> before it had a chance to take off, because the "Internet of Things"<br></div><div dir="ltr">> seems to be more attractive.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> We can also forget about getting our languages on iOS or Android,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> because the manufacturers will decide which language are allowed on each<br></div><div dir="ltr">> phone, not the user. So, if you're not one of the big 10-20 who happen<br></div><div dir="ltr">> to be living in the wrong country, tough luck.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> After Adaptxt was axed and we had to move to Swiftkey, iOS isn't even<br></div><div dir="ltr">> allowing our keyboard locale.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> So, this is another VERY BLACK day for our languages, and a sad day for<br></div><div dir="ltr">> all those developers who spent so much effort into giving us a free (as<br></div><div dir="ltr">> in freedom) phone.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> I hope this mail reaches the powers that be.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> GunChleoc<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> --<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----<br></div><div dir="ltr">Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">mQINBFNbSyEBEADh+uhohycnZgPPnyMs5pZQG6pKyLzFZoIKbVjY31ZoPZ2SdltB<br></div><div dir="ltr">elrwn6kFZkQiDx4K6nkZFHsPh8RMvWoFWg1rGiWkdsZessLFawraC8YEZDwtlaU5<br></div><div dir="ltr">SFXbE4+QnMfbPhe9tmC8Nbhec3dfV9zcXAhxc+zkIUsKFhSkpJ2Syvo9FCA/5adW<br></div><div dir="ltr">UZgWWKFwlSg4+/lrhJ6QJnldPlXfWcuEasKF7fjdafDIdS5hdKu8Lv+CiPQWvgsi<br></div><div dir="ltr">J2BDlZLzEZf3PD+NMujUbJa0nilD2ltu3/qRvR2f86YV6wRwt4E2OD8JJQOau4X2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Pg7vqkIbnB9rMiQ6T17rQ4rc80eesGCxQ6XOba9oa1eRRZDwY7HJtYwvPdw9HZaN<br></div><div dir="ltr">Lq2RRbGDGO0q7fxrzbp1WuNN+UXOA/pmVzWWczPfPHVcNIehGf3wQI+Vgh/qa+IZ<br></div><div dir="ltr">jLJ25I1Tv85cDzvv5gdtI8PR4JTfK6Db+gUJmsuIg2fmsljxA7OmeTgSPR7nEVq5<br></div><div dir="ltr">VlHYfx1T0uKlthWw/eDwlS44vTgm6HZzIdYqdPMPa/PU1U+WVuDejyDJTn/1TY78<br></div><div dir="ltr">oJMT/IixFR+N+smohhKASprewcsO2ClWGptSG0sRTiCrVHFD3Mt6SCVaxsQLHvek<br></div><div dir="ltr">KuNAUXhR2KSvYuqGT0Nv3bplN6svCp4CuAGZ3lyOIt/Sb7OFUwzcx2sOdwARAQAB<br></div><div dir="ltr">tC5Gw7JyYW0gbmEgR8OgaWRobGlnIDxmaW9zQGZvcmFtbmFnYWlkaGxpZy5uZXQ+<br></div><div dir="ltr">iQI5BBMBAgAjBQJTW0shAhsPBwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ<br></div><div dir="ltr">UHP09XBr75NHNBAAxv2C/G13Z1kCFOSOnbPpzqcIDcMuP7RK1Mv5XfOZLfqSw4le<br></div><div dir="ltr">gdDmZggX2/EBH6xFTXFPLSE6rVUKTkHLA7IY8D43GBtDWjcIyyuLnIjtR+LhRKCP<br></div><div dir="ltr">3/Sm8MyZMQvUH1CBpUXFNnP/HCR6xjm1Mog5kXxFeCR9PMjeEiobKXIVuMfuNlBD<br></div><div dir="ltr">WzoR2Nh+oroXLjZw3VMFewiCyhu4Pe7F3sLpVldiI3PBOyPQOBZ3HEIM490D/Lrh<br></div><div dir="ltr">rl3Wwmoug8j8rqkh/Fr+kKaToRJik4PkcxsfepzhMdNfCpr7I3jE5XQHzib5Ubv8<br></div><div dir="ltr">wsSaVNBG92NTnGKoAntWXBUaiDN84St9l+Zm/BgedRk+7wdESHBuOuFXoRc0yEjF<br></div><div dir="ltr">4tLOhyO9u5bYGQWHyJiwhbw51R8G+Kh3OPq/tr4KmsuueEI2v5cLkoDzwCpYyMnu<br></div><div dir="ltr">BfU8d0mt5eULbQCWcy7LYeQs6E+CEB+tPL3Qz2zaAAvwt7N2PLMjHf5Fcqj5LqrV<br></div><div dir="ltr">mzQfcB9zQFq9Rtld/IIIDkE1y/q/SNFYsFNW/u/bxWsu+lMOYtBco++O5DJhAq6t<br></div><div dir="ltr">7rJXUBirju50hhogHfBL2v6RG1b8/uiWm0m8713ZhiSvpr4Dd+V+DU9nPli5nTmU<br></div><div dir="ltr">En6gP7TTYJKETMf7O9i873Z8yG6zd0/fBzFyruS2KRTPV2GiVT6CI37gUtw=<br></div><div dir="ltr">=fcOW<br></div><div dir="ltr">-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">ubuntu-translators mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of ubuntu-translators Digest, Vol 151, Issue 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">**************************************************<br></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>