<div dir="ltr">On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eagles051387@gmail.com" target="_blank">eagles051387@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think that would be a great step forward to determine what can be improved as it would be beneficial to the project as a whole. Question becomes how would be the best way to go about determining what can be improved.<br> <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Jonathan,<br><br></div><div>This thread is about helping Michael resolve his issue.<br><br>If you'd like to discuss using another online translation system, I'd recommend opening a separate thread, listing in detail what the current challenges are, how another system would address them, and how it would satisfy the needs to handle millions of translations for multiple Ubuntu releases.<br> <br></div><div>I personally find *any* online translation system that enables collaboration between volunteer translators across the globe to translate a Free Software operating system or project with a quality and effectiveness that proprietary systems can only envy amazing, be it Launchpad, Pootle, Transifex or any other. Every one of them has their strengths, but the fact that Pootle works for you is not enough reason to replace the existing system, nor does it give any indication of how that work would be planned and who would do it.<br> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div>@David P Can you explain to us how translation works? Do translators use the latest release strings that will then get released on previous versions of ubuntu etc?<br> </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd recommend reading the [Quick Start guide](<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/QuickStartGuide">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/QuickStartGuide</a>), as most of what I can explain would be repeating content from there. Also the rest of the [documentation](<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations</a>) should give you more insight.<br> <br></div><div>To answer the second question, you can translate Ubuntu here: <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu</a><br><br></div><div>This will always take you to the latest translatable version of Ubuntu. If you translate a message there, and if that message is the same in other versions of Ubuntu, it will automatically be translated in all of those releases. This is called message sharing, and it works both ways: you can either translate an older or newer release and translations will be shared in older or newer releases.<br> <br></div><div>I hope this helps :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br>David.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jared Norris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrnorris@gmail.com" target="_blank">jrnorris@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr">Launchpad is actually a very simple yet powerful tool for translations. As an English speaking based locale I found it very easy to understand and start translating by reading the instructions on the wiki. I cannot speak for non-English based languages as I'm not sure how well the instructions are documented in other languages. <div> <br></div><div>I am far from a developer and have never contributed a line of code yet I was able to self teach myself how to contribute to translations. I'm not suggesting there aren't areas that can be improved but just wanted to say that in my years of experience Michael's recent issues appear to be an exception rather than the rule. As Daniel has already provided some great advice to Michael on his current situation I will not get involved in that and confuse the matter further but I did want to point out that the system that is currently in use is far from perfect but more than adequate.</div> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 May 2013 23:09, Jonathan Aquilina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eagles051387@gmail.com" target="_blank">eagles051387@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I have worked with Pootle for Libreoffice translations, from what im seeing here LP makes things alot more confusing why not use pootle for the translations?<br> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Michael Bauer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fios@akerbeltz.org" target="_blank">fios@akerbeltz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Hi David,<br> <br> Thanks for your long answer. I'm sorry if I crossed a bit of a line here but I actually did re-read my email before sending and toned it down a lot. I am really very angry right now :/<br> <br> My last suggestion for the day: if <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/" target="_blank">https://translations.<u></u>launchpad.net/ubuntu/</a> is the page that a translator should bookmark, then that contains preciously little information (such as all the links to the wikis that have just been posted) for translators. Also, if it's not recommended people bookmark the pages lower down, then it should really say so in big bright letters.<br> <br> 25/05/2013 12:53, sgrìobh David Planella:<div><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> We're here to help, so for any question that you have along the road, do use the list!<br> <br> </blockquote></div> Well just the one about who I talk to about blanking the translations. The mess in my locale is seriously becoming unworkable.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> <br> Michael<div><div><br> <br> -- <br> ubuntu-translators mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-translators@lists.<u></u>ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/<u></u>mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-<u></u>translators</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br>Jonathan Aquilina </font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"> <br>--<br> ubuntu-translators mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a><br> <br></font></span></blockquote></div><span><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Regards,<br><br>Jared Norris<br><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris</a> </font></span></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><span class=""><font color="#888888">-- <br>Jonathan Aquilina </font></span></div> <br>--<br> ubuntu-translators mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>