<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Piotr Pawłowski: welcome and please do notice that any way of trying to contact Ubuntu Polish Translators Team's admin (Tomasz Dominkowski) is a mission impossible. He usually doesn't answer e-mails. I just lost reviewer rights though I made and still make a lot both translating and debugging (check my karma which fell recently about ~2000points). I'd like to ask if I could join some other translation team though I know that any bug reports, assigned to Polish translators team will be invisible for me. I don't like the way I'm ignored. If I was doing anything wrong, tellig me that would be enough. I do receive emails and answer them. I really do not know what to think about it.</div><div> </div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><hr size="1">From: "ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com> To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 2:00 PM Subject: ubuntu-translators Digest, Vol 82, Issue 3 Send ubuntu-translators mailing list submissions to <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-translators digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Status of the Ubuntu Docs in Natty+Oneiric (Hannie) 2. Re: Status of the Ubuntu Docs in Natty+Oneiric (Matthew East) 3. (Piotr Paw?owski) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:01:50 +0200 From: Hannie <<a ymailto="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl" href="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl">lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl</a>> To: Ubuntu Translators <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, Ubuntu Docs Team <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, Gnome-nl <<a ymailto="mailto:gnome-nl-list@gnome.org" href="mailto:gnome-nl-list@gnome.org">gnome-nl-list@gnome.org</a>>, Ubuntu-NL Maillijst <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: Status of the Ubuntu Docs in Natty+Oneiric Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4E1818FE.9080408@zonnet.nl" href="mailto:4E1818FE.9080408@zonnet.nl">4E1818FE.9080408@zonnet.nl</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" We, Ubuntu Dutch Translators, are currently translating gnome-user-docs, the Ubuntu Desktop Guide you get when you press F1 in Ubuntu Natty (with Unity), <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help/nl/" target="_blank">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help/nl/</a>. But following the discussion on this subject, see discussions below, I am not sure what I'll get when I press F1 in Oneiric. If gnome-user-docs is no longer going to be used in Oneiric (Unity), there is no point in continuing translating the Natty version, since we are not far from the Oneiric release. On the other hand, if it will be used in Oneiric, finishing the Natty version is important because it is likely that most of the strings will also appear in the Oneiric version. Another issue is the upstream translation. I can upload the Launchpad translation, once it is finished on Launchpad, to Gnome-nl. But I want to know if, in the LP document, there are strings added for the Ubuntu users only. And as for ubuntu-docs, <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/natty/+lang/nl" target="_blank">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/natty/+lang/nl</a>, is this what is called the new topic-based help help ("Desktop Help"), and will this be used in Oneiric? Regards, Hannie Recently, Matthew East wrote: ============ 1. In oneiric this material, gnome-user-docs (ubuntu), will be shipped in our ubuntu-docs package. 2. In Oneiric we will use gnome-user-docs for something else (shipping upstream docs for gnome-shell). 3. Please translate the Natty version. The translations will be included in language packs as announced on the mailing list. The oneiric version is not ready yet - please don't translate that until announced on the mailing list later in the release cycle.You can upload upstream translations to Launchpad. About half of the strings in the template are the same as in the upstream template, if I recall correctly. =========================== Discussions on Status of the Ubuntu Docs in Natty: Dear translators, In the ubuntu-docs team we've decided to move to translating in our upstream project instead of in the Ubuntu package. The reason for this is that it allows us to push updated templates to Launchpad for translation immediately and automatically in our bzr branch, rather than having to upload them to the Ubuntu archive or upload them manually to Launchpad. This will help us particularly when doing post-release updates. We have enabled Launchpad's new translation sharing feature so that translation can in fact go on in both places. See<a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs" target="_blank">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs</a>. For the time being I've enabled translations in the following series: lucid, maverick and natty. These are the series for which we expect to issue stable release updates with translations in the future. We haven't yet enabled translations in oneiric (because it is too early to start translation there). In summary, please use the upstream project for translating Ubuntu documentation in future. Please note that the gnome-user-docs translation - which contains the core desktop documentation for*natty only* - will continue to happen in the Ubuntu package because the upstream project (Gnome) doesn't use Launchpad for translation. Let me know if you have any questions. Op 25-02-11 21:20, Shaun McCance schreef: > On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 20:46 +0100, David Planella wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been checking out the yelp version in Natty this week, and apart >> from watching in awe the increase in speed, I've also been wondering >> about the status of the Ubuntu docs and their translations, especially >> after the discussions regarding the project direction a few weeks ago. >> >> I've noticed that there isn't any front page for the Ubuntu docs yet, >> and that currently launching yelp shows the GNOME desktop guide in >> English (I'll have to investigate why this happens, I suspect it might >> be a problem on the translations packaging or importing side). > Are you referring to the new topic-based help ("Desktop Help") > or the old user guide ("Desktop User Guide")? The default was > changed pretty recently, and I'm not sure what build of Yelp > you're using. > > If it's the topic-based help, there are no translations right > now. So that would explain why you're seeing English. Otherwise, > if there's a problem with the localized document lookup, please > let me know. That would be a very critical bug. > > As for the Ubuntu docs being the front page, the idea was that > the Desktop Help would just be able to be that for all distros, > and that extra pages could be added when it makes sense. That > was a really good plan a year ago. But just as we finally got > the technical bits in place, Ubuntu is switching to Unity as > a default desktop. So the GNOME Desktop Help is probably not > going to be a good base document. > > Ubuntu is probably going to need its own main help document, > as it's had in the past. Let's figure out how to best make > that work. > > 1) Ubuntu could just ensure that, in every bit of code that > wants to display the desktop help, Yelp is called with a URI. > > Pro: no patching to Yelp. > Con: Some code somewhere might get missed. > > 2) Ubuntu could patch Yelp to have a different default URI. > I think this is what's been done in the past. It could be a > good patch. Or I could make the default document a setting, > and it could be a schema patch. It's a patch either way. > > Pro: pretty straight-forward. > Con: Yelp will still load the Unity-based desktop help > for users who choose to download stock GNOME. > > 3) Yelp could have some desktop detection, and choose the > default URI accordingly. There's no standard way to find > this information. There've been sporadic xdg-list threads > on the topic. It's always shot down. We might be able to > do some sort of process or service detection. > > Pro: paves the way for Yelp to be used as-is to serve > other desktops. > Con: probably only ever going to be 90% accurate. > > My priority is making sure that people get accurate and > useful help, regardless of what desktop or distro they're > running. So whatever it takes to make that happen, that's > what I'll do. > > Thanks, > Shaun On 18-04-11 Matthew East wrote: We've discussed this on a bug report and an ubuntu-docs mailing list thread with David, but I should also have posted to ubuntu-translators about it. A brief summary is that we have been very late this release with updating the documentation and are having to use all the time we have available just to ensure that Natty will have some documentation. In order to do this we are adapting the new Gnome 3 user documentation to fit Unity's interface, and are shipping this in the package gnome-user-docs. The documentation in ubuntu-docs will still be shipped, but it will be used as fall back documentation for those looking for help on the "Ubuntu Classic" interface. Unfortunately this last minute work means that we will not be able to ship with translated documentation in this release. However we have committed to post-release documentation updates which will include translations. Thank you for your patience and our apologies for this mess. However we had to take a decision between shipping translated documentation from Maverick or trying to update at least the English documentation, and the latter option was the lesser of two evils. David - the templates for gnome-user-docs in Launchpad need to be corrected. The ones available should be "gnome-help" and "user-guide". (This email is about Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/attachments/20110709/724c4d11/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/attachments/20110709/724c4d11/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:16:50 +0100 From: Matthew East <<a ymailto="mailto:mdke@ubuntu.com" href="mailto:mdke@ubuntu.com">mdke@ubuntu.com</a>> To: Hannie <<a ymailto="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl" href="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl">lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl</a>> Cc: Ubuntu-NL Maillijst <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-l10n-nl@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, Ubuntu Translators <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, Ubuntu Docs Team <<a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, Gnome-nl <<a ymailto="mailto:gnome-nl-list@gnome.org" href="mailto:gnome-nl-list@gnome.org">gnome-nl-list@gnome.org</a>> Subject: Re: Status of the Ubuntu Docs in Natty+Oneiric Message-ID: <CA+p9pZxiNbvzwyFh6iCk6DNcMx45ejwBA7HHz+GNEgis+9A+<a ymailto="mailto:jQ@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:jQ@mail.gmail.com">jQ@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, On 9 July 2011 10:01, Hannie <<a ymailto="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl" href="mailto:lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl">lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl</a>> wrote: > We, Ubuntu Dutch Translators, are currently translating gnome-user-docs, the > Ubuntu Desktop Guide you get when you press F1 in Ubuntu Natty (with Unity), > <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help/nl/" target="_blank">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help/nl/</a>. > But following the discussion on this subject, see discussions below, I am > not sure what I'll get when I press F1 in Oneiric. If gnome-user-docs is no > longer going to be used in Oneiric (Unity), there is no point in continuing > translating the Natty version, since we are not far from the Oneiric > release. On the other hand, if it will be used in Oneiric, finishing the > Natty version is important because it is likely that most of the strings > will also appear in the Oneiric version. The latter position is correct. The strings currently used in gnome-user-docs (natty) will be present in the ubuntu-docs package (oneiric), although updates will be made to reflect changes to the software as between natty and oneiric. For now it is worth translating gnome-user-docs (natty) because updates will be shipped to this package. Do not translate any oneiric documentation, it is too early in the release and these strings may change. The gnome-user-docs (oneiric) package will contain the upstream documentation and will be used for gnome-shell (not installed by default). > Another issue is the upstream translation. I can upload the Launchpad > translation, once it is finished on Launchpad, to Gnome-nl. But I want to > know if, in the LP document, there are strings added for the Ubuntu users > only. About half the strings in gnome-user-docs (natty) come from gnome-user-docs upstream, so it is worth uploading the translations. > And as for ubuntu-docs, > <a href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/natty/+lang/nl" target="_blank">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/natty/+lang/nl</a>, is this what > is called the new topic-based help help ("Desktop Help"), and will this be > used in Oneiric? No, this will be dropped in Oneiric. This is documentation for the ubuntu-classic desktop, which is present in Natty, but not in Oneiric. -- Matthew East <a href="http://www.mdke.org" target="_blank">http://www.mdke.org</a> gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:43:02 +0200 From: Piotr Paw?owski <<a ymailto="mailto:pulp@wp.pl" href="mailto:pulp@wp.pl">pulp@wp.pl</a>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4e183ec629a4c2.79197481@wp.pl" href="mailto:4e183ec629a4c2.79197481@wp.pl">4e183ec629a4c2.79197481@wp.pl</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Welcome to the <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a> mailing list! 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