<html><head><style type="text/css"></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Hi :) I like to think that there will be new generations of computer users able to converse about technical issues without resorting to English/American words. If technical users are able to understand the non-English equivalent of "software" (for example) but would find it a bit strange then i think that the non-English word 'should' be used unless it creates a lot of extra work. If a person new to computers (are there anyone like that these days) might find it more difficult to use the 'native' word rather than the english/american one then i guess it is more important to make it easy for them. I imagine that is exactly what a lot of your discussions are about? I just thought i would add my opinion as an outsider. Regards from Tom :) </div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><hr size="1">From: Hannie <lafeber-dumoleyn2@zonnet.nl> To: Ubuntu Translators <ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com> Sent: Thu, 21 October, 2010 9:00:00 Subject: Re: Translatable Code of Conduct (CoC) and Leadership Code of Conduct (LCoC) Op 20-10-10 18:29, David Planella schreef: > El dc 20 de 10 de 2010 a les 10:50 +0900, en/na Fumihito YOSHIDA va > escriure: >> Hi David and all, >> > Thanks a lot for your input. > > If I understand you correctly, I believe you are referring to the > creation of a global glossary for translation terms. > > I personally think that this is something that every team should take > care of, and it is something that we recommend to be in their > translation guidelines [1], as only the people familiar with the given > language know best which terms and how they need to be translated. We, Ubuntu Dutch translators use the following site a lot: <a href="http://en.nl.open-tran.eu/" target="_blank">http://en.nl.open-tran.eu/</a> I can recommend it to all translators. > However, I do see the value in creating a global glossary that teams > could use as a template and simply translate. > > There were efforts in that direction some time ago: > > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-December/003170.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-December/003170.html</a> > > If this is an area you believe to be important, and would like to see it > improved, I'd very much encourage you to revive that effort, or lead a > new project to create a global translation glossary (or memory) for all > teams. I'll certainly be glad to help, as I'm sure other people on the > list will be. > >> Do we need "English = English translation" ? : >> >> - For translation works, many "paraphrase" creates good translations. >> (see also: "Paraphrasing Social from the start"[2]) >> >> Any ideas? >> > Again, that is something that needs to be discussed within each team. > We, in Catalan, for example tend to adhere to the practice of trying to > translate everything and not rely on English terms, where it applies > (e.g. we translate "software" to "programari", but we do not translate > e.g. "Rhythmbox") We often have discussions on what to translate and what not. In the Netherlands many English terms are used, especially computer terms. Words like software, hardware, update, link, backup, printer are not translated. But if there is a good Dutch alternative, I personally prefer to use the Dutch word, e.g. backup = reservekopie. But what does the average user prefer? My opinion is this: experienced users prefer the English terms, especially when they are technical, e.g. backend. When users are new to Ubuntu, it depends on whether they have experience with other operating systems or not. For absolute beginners it doesn't matter, both will be new to them. This is just my personal opinion. Regards, Hannie > Regards, > David. > > [1] > <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/TranslationGuidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/TranslationGuidelines</a> > -- ubuntu-translators mailing list <a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</a> </div></div> </div> </body></html>