<html><head></head><body>How do I install Rosetta? Estoy Para Servir! Si En Algo Le Puedo Ayudar! ------- Original Message ------- From : ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com[mailto:ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com] Sent : 10/10/2006 4:00:12 AM To : ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Cc : Subject : RE: ubuntu-translators Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5 Send ubuntu-translators mailing list submissions to ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <A href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target=_new>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</A> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-translators-request@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-translators-owner@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-translators digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams (Dominik Zablotny) 2. Re: Translations needed for OpenOffice.org menu items (until 2006-10-08) (Ricardo P?rez L?pez) 3. Call for Edgy installer translations (Matthew East) 4. Re: Call for Edgy installer translations (Vladimer Sichinava) 5. Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams (TG) 6. Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams (Danilo ?egan ) 7. Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams (Danilo ?egan ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:54:04 +0200 From: Dominik Zablotny <doza@sztorm.net> Subject: Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams To: Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@canonical.com> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com, kde-i18n-doc@kde.org, Rosetta List <rosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1160402044.12993.16.camel@doza-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dnia 09-10-2006, pon o godzinie 15:22 +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas napisa?: > Would it help if we renamed "translation team" to "editors" or > "supervisors"? > > Does there need to be another team for each language, separate from the > editors/supervisors, so that inexperienced volunteers still feel like > they're "part of the team"? (I'm not upstream related, just Ubuntu translator) IMHO splitting teams is not a good solution. Instead Rosetta (Launchpad) should support more roles inside a team than member and administrator. For example calling current members "supervisors" and defining members as "weak members" without commit rights would be a good start. I think keeping contributors outside main team could make them feel depreciated and we should avoid it. -- Dominik Zablotny xmpp:doza@sztorm.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:51:01 +0200 From: Ricardo P?rez L?pez <ricpelo@ono.com> Subject: Re: Translations needed for OpenOffice.org menu items (until 2006-10-08) To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <1160427061.5194.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 El jue, 05-10-2006 a las 13:55 +0200, Matthias Klose escribi?: > Please have a look at > > <A href="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-build" target=_new>https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-build</A> > > and translate or approve these translations so that OOo menu entries are > translated in the desktop menu. > > Thanks, Matthias Matthias, I updated the Spanish translation of the above template yesterday (2006-10-08), but the changes I made are not finally in the desktop menu. Could you get the latest updated Spanish translations and put it into the corresponding packages? It's _VERY_ important, because my updates fixes some important typos and errors in the menu entries. <A href="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-build/es/+translate" target=_new>https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-build/es/+translate</A> Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:19:58 +0100 From: Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com> Subject: Call for Edgy installer translations To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <egeedu$r69$1@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm passing on this message from Colin Watson. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Call for Edgy installer translations Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:18:17 +0100 Resent-From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@flatline.org.uk> Resent-To: Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:10:05 +0100 From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com> To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com According to <A href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule," target=_new>http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule,</A> there are about three more days to go until we stop accepting installer translation changes. I recently changed a couple of strings in ubiquity, but unfortunately only remembered today that I needed to poke the Launchpad guys to have Rosetta updated with these new strings. I'd appreciate it if installer translators could go and have a look at these. <A href="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+translations" target=_new>https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+translations</A> Thanks, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org" target=_new>http://enigmail.mozdev.org</A> iD8DBQFFKrz+tSaF0w5rBv8RAm/2AJ4za5z8+KJ8Qrvc+FZT9bibvAJZUwCeJdff /TabaZfjvPp0rGRIWiZ/G54= =nj5O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:19:18 +0200 From: Vladimer Sichinava <vlsichinava@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Call for Edgy installer translations To: Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <1160443159.7093.0.camel@brugherio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On ???, 2006-10-09 at 22:19 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, I'm passing on this message from Colin Watson. Thank you, Georgian team alredy started working on it. > > - -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Call for Edgy installer translations > Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:18:17 +0100 > Resent-From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@flatline.org.uk> > Resent-To: Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com> > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:10:05 +0100 > From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com> > To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com > > According to <A href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule," target=_new>http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule,</A> there are about > three more days to go until we stop accepting installer translation > changes. I recently changed a couple of strings in ubiquity, but > unfortunately only remembered today that I needed to poke the Launchpad > guys to have Rosetta updated with these new strings. I'd appreciate it > if installer translators could go and have a look at these. > > > <A href="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+translations" target=_new>https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/debian-installer/+translations</A> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:33:59 +0200 From: TG <tefera@mekuria.com> Subject: Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams To: " Danilo ?egan " <danilo@canonical.com> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com, rosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <f989db110610091933u8f59f54of509afc0abf90129@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > We are asking you, the translation team leaders and administrators, to > limit membership to only a couple of highly trusted translators, and > ask everybody else in your translation team to submit suggestions > instead (they won't be members of a team "on paper", but nothing will > stop them from submitting suggestions). > > This is a flaw in Rosetta, no doubt about that, but translation teams > which admit anyone are hurting our relations with many upstream > translators who have actually done most of the work in some > languages. It goes without saying that we are planning on fixing > this, but we have some higher priority stuff right now. The fallowing was a request i made on 16th aug. I don't know how the priorities are set. But as far as our team is concerned this feature should get the highest priority. This problem may not be felt by the "bigger teams". The bigger refers to the number of strings translated. But it is the smaller teams that face the bigger problems. And when prioritizing this should be taken in to consideration. ==== I was wondering if it would be possible to implement a system to rate registered translators so that to differentiate between seasoned translators who not only can submit their own translations but have the privilege to review and approve and the novice translators. say "novice translator", "translator", "reviewer", "super translator (commitor)":-). This would solve many of the issues raised here and elsewhere on organizing a translation work. Points can be given from the higher rated to the lower rated translator or the system gives points on the number of translations approved without change...etc. Today most translation work is static revolving around single individuals. This method undoubtedly has an advantage of insuring quality in a very restrictive manner. But it also shuts out potential contributors on subjective grounds, such as personality clash. this might not be big problem for an already supported languages. But unsupported languages and languages yet to start will use as much volunteers and dynamism in the system as they can get. The meritocracy practised elsewhere in free software development should also be applied to translation work too. ==== ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:21:08 +0200 From: danilo@canonical.com (Danilo ?egan ) Subject: Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams To: TG <tefera@mekuria.com> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com, rosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <87psd0myaj.fsf@avet.kvota.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi TG, Today at 4:33, TG wrote: > The fallowing was a request i made on 16th aug. I don't know how the > priorities are set. But as far as our team is concerned this feature > should get the highest priority. This problem may not be felt by the > "bigger teams". The bigger refers to the number of strings translated. > But it is the smaller teams that face the bigger problems. And when > prioritizing this should be taken in to consideration. I like the ideas you are having. We do want to implement something like that, but it's not coming soon (i.e. this would require changes to many places in the code, so it's not actually trivial). What Matthew is proposing, and what I also had in mind earlier, was to simply add "novice translator" as the privilege level. That one is simpler and would solve majority of the problems we are having (translators feeling unappreciated if they are not part of the team, or them messing up the translation work if they are). > ==== > I was wondering if it would be possible to implement a system to rate > registered translators so that to differentiate between seasoned > translators who not only can submit their own translations but have > the privilege to review and approve and the novice translators. say > "novice translator", "translator", "reviewer", "super translator > (commitor)":-). This would solve many of the issues raised here and > elsewhere on organizing a translation work. Points can be given from > the higher rated to the lower rated translator or the system gives > points on the number of translations approved without change...etc. > > Today most translation work is static revolving around single > individuals. This method undoubtedly has an advantage of insuring > quality in a very restrictive manner. But it also shuts out potential > contributors on subjective grounds, such as personality clash. this > might not be big problem for an already supported languages. But > unsupported languages and languages yet to start will use as much > volunteers and dynamism in the system as they can get. > The meritocracy practised elsewhere in free software development > should also be applied to translation work too. > ==== Cheers, Danilo ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:15 +0200 From: danilo@canonical.com (Danilo ?egan ) Subject: Re: Improving Rosetta's relation with upstream translation teams To: Dominik Zablotny <doza@sztorm.net> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com, Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@canonical.com>, kde-i18n-doc@kde.org, Rosetta List <rosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <87lknomy70.fsf@avet.kvota.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday at 15:54, Dominik Zablotny wrote: > IMHO splitting teams is not a good solution. Instead Rosetta (Launchpad) > should support more roles inside a team than member and administrator. > For example calling current members "supervisors" and defining members > as "weak members" without commit rights would be a good start. > > I think keeping contributors outside main team could make them feel > depreciated and we should avoid it. I couldn't agree more. And that's what we've already discussed, and we want to do something along those lines. Probably starting with just "translator" and "reviewer" (and paired with the new translation review interface). Cheers, Danilo ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com <A href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators" target=_new>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators</A> End of ubuntu-translators Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5 ************************************************* </body></html>