Semi-mechanizing the DTTP translations
pierre.slamich at gmail.com
Thu Dec 20 12:43:56 UTC 2012
I don't have a clean way to split them right now. I split them by size to
keep below 900ko (I took 800 for safety), but I then had to adjust manually
because the strings were split right in the middle.
If you don't mind, it would be great to take advantage of the German
process to automate the process as much as possible.
Would you be willing to expand the pad (
http://lite.framapad.org/p/ddtpUbuntu) with us (yet another proof of
French-German partnership ;-P)?
<pierre.slamich at gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Hendrik Knackstedt <
hendrik.knackstedt at t-online.de> wrote:
> Hey Pierre!
> I'd like to test your approach for the German language also. How exactly
> did you split the files? Did you use an existing program/script or can you
> provide a script for doing this? Thanks!
> Am 19.12.2012 15:58, schrieb Pierre Slamich:
> Yes, although we might be finished by then ;-)
> Thanks to the method we're reviewing and correcting around 1000 strings
> per day at the moment.
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Hannie Dumoleyn <
> lafeber-dumoleyn2 at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Pierre, Redmar, and all who are interested,
>> Would it be an idea to brainstorm on this in #ubuntu-translators? Perhaps
>> in January 2013?
>> I agree with Redmar that the msgmerge is a good method, especially for
>> huge documents. The only snag is that you still have to approve the fuzzies
>> offline before uploading the file back to Launchpad. We use this method for
>> the Ubuntu Manual "Getting started with Ubuntu" (Lucid > Maverick > ....>
>> Raring) and with success.
>> Redmar, sorry for not yet having tested your popsort :(
>> Op 18-12-12 00:51, Pierre Slamich schreef:
>> Hi Hannie, Hi Redmar,
>> Thanks a lot for the tips: we're interested in using your approach, and
>> more generally it might be interesting expending the msmerge approach to
>> all teams that are already underway for the DDTP, and the Google one to the
>> teams that need to get started.
>> - For the Google Translator Kit approach, I guess we could extend the
>> mock project we did for fr_FR to other languages (and streamlining our
>> process by using Bazaar) by creating a global team responsible for the DDTP
>> Mock project and including in this team one member from each language team
>> responsible for uploading the machine translated po for his or her language.
>> - For the msmerge approach, do you already have a project to handle
>> this ? Is there any advantage in msmerging raring against releases older
>> than quantal to get more modified strings ? How many strings have you been
>> able to recover using that approach ? It might be neat to generate the
>> msmerged po for all languages ? Importing them as actual translations (not
>> fuzzy) into a mock project like the Google Translate one would show them as
>> suggestions for the actual DDTP as well.
>> The translator would thus be able to pick the human translated one when
>> available or to build on the machine translated one otherwise.
>> Can we try to schedule some time to coordinate on this so that we can
>> use both approaches and try to onboard all the other languages teams once
>> we have a rock-solid process ?
>> Pierre Slamich
>> pierre.slamich at gmail.com
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Redmar <redmar at ubuntu-nl.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>> I've actually tried a similar approach for Dutch using msgmerge, which
>>> might also be worth checking out. When you merge the translations of an
>>> older version of ubuntu into the current version (msgmerge
>>> quantal_ddtp.po raring_ddtp.po -o merged_ddtp.po, for example), there
>>> will be a lot of 'fuzzy' translations for strings that are similar (for
>>> example, meta packages for different programs, debugging symbols etc).
>>> These fuzzy often only need a few small changes (eg program name) to be
>>> accepted, which can really speed up translations. And you don't have to
>>> worry about google putting in a weird translation, since it is all based
>>> on earlier translations done by a human.
>>> On a related note, if any of you work on ddtp-translations offline, I
>>> have written a python program that can sort entries in ddtp po-files
>>> based on the popularity of the package. This way, the most popular
>>> packages will be at the top of the po file, and you are always sure you
>>> are working on the most important packages first.
>>> You can get the code here:
>>> bzr branch lp:~redmar/+junk/ddtp_popsort
>>> It has a small readme file, please let me know if something is unclear
>>> or not working for you.
>>> Ubuntu Dutch Translators
>>> Hannie Dumoleyn schreef op ma 17-12-2012 om 17:58 [+0100]:
>>> > Hello Pierre,
>>> > This is a very good idea! I have just uploaded the first part of the
>>> > incomplete Dutch translation (900kb) to GTT.
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Hannie
>>> > Op 17-12-12 12:55, Pierre Slamich schreef:
>>> > > The DDTP represent around 50 000 strings to translate * 140
>>> > > languages. On very good weeks, a typical translation team translates
>>> > > 500 strings (see UWN for examples weekly figures).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Would take a lot of weeks (years?) with highly motivated volunteers
>>> > > of a large translation team, working non-stop, at their best to get
>>> > > done with it.
>>> > > Thus we had the idea to delegate initial translation suggestions to
>>> > > Google Translator Kit and review translations with humans to speed
>>> > > the process.
>>> > >
>>> > > We successfully did an import for circa 40 000 French strings (yup
>>> > > you read that right) this week-end in a mock project called DDTP
>>> > > Automation (https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtpautomation).
>>> > > To keep it short, the translations from this project appear as
>>> > > suggestions in the French DDTP, and can be reviewed by actual
>>> > > translators.
>>> > > We've started using them, and it turns out that a lot of them are
>>> > > actually useful and are speeding up the translation process a lot.
>>> > >
>>> > > We detailed the (somewhat) tedious process in English at
>>> > > http://lite.framapad.org/p/ddtpUbuntu
>>> > > Questions and inquiries welcome.
>>> > >
>>> > > Pierre
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ---
>>> > > pierre.slamich at gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >
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