finally we get to the bottom line. we actually *are* having the 'analog vs digital' debate. theres no need to have that debate here.<div> </div><div>the issue im trying to highlight is advocacy ralph. if you want to discount *all* digital recording methods, go for it. if i had the money, time, patience and space, i would quite enjoy having an analog setup. but, for now, digital recording is SO much easier for me to deal with. and for others who come to this list, and others you communicate with, this is the case as well. most audio production is done digitally these days, and i feel like it is important for us as ubuntu users to help promote the tools we have. ALSO, using terms like "pro-fools" to refer to protools is unnecessary. we probably have users here that are using both protools and ardour, or maybe protools on their production machines, and looking at ubuntu on a desktop platform. i feel like this is an unnecessary alienating step. personally, i dont use protools, but that doesnt mean that its use is "wrong". and to imply that is not a 'community building' attitude.</div> <div> </div><div>i would like to think that any audio professional or home user using whatever OS or proprietary software could come to this list, and feel welcome. and i would like to ask all the long-time users to become ambassadors, embracing the technology we have, and helping spread the positives, as well as internally helping address and resolve the negatives. </div> <div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> I'm still reading all mails, but the only thing I've to add, for a lsat time is ... Just again, Ardour2 is the best HD recording software I know, I call ProTools "Pro Fools". My claim is, that neither Ardour2, nor any other software should be used to record orchestras. No discussion about cut, copy and paste for orchestra recordings. But well, a note to the microphoning. Dirk Brauner borrowed microphones for orchestra recordings done in studio halls and also for orchestra recordings in sport halls. The Tim Isfort Orchester <a href="http://www.amazon.de/Tim-Isfort-Orchester/dp/B00000B5Y7" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.de/Tim-Isfort-Orchester/dp/B00000B5Y7</a> recording was done in a sports hall, pardon, it was a school hall, anyway, you can't compare such a production with studio hall recordings. It's always a discussion if an orchestra recording can be cut, copied and pasted. Perhaps there might be one point at 25 minutes of a 45 minute recording where it's possible and done, regarding to costs. <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 08:21 -0400, Mac wrote: > Well, I sort of agree with both lines of thought here. > > 1. Having a stable recording platform where there are zero hick-ups of > any kind is important for live recording. > > 2. In a studio environment there may be many stops, but, the people > paying for the recording time won't be thrilled paying for breaks to > deal with buffer overruns. > > That said, I've successfully done 2+ hour recordings of musical > theater events with 24 channels via firewire into Ardour. > > That was with Ubuntu 9x, a tweaked kernel from Luke, and locally > compiled latest (at that time) Ardour. I got to that point only after > a lot of help from Paul, Luke and others. I have not attempted > anything like this since then. > > FWIW: I did some quick tests with the same hardware using the latest > AVLinux...it just worked out-of-the-box, no tweaks or after install > setups. > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ricardo Lameiro > <<a href="mailto:ricardolameiro@gmail.com">ricardolameiro@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > Well, Ralf. > > > > You seem to like to talk to other person from top down. well i will > > tell you maybe Mike is right. > > There is ONLY ONE situation where a sound engeneering needs to record > > for more than 60 minutes non stop. a Live concert. > > In studio an orchestra can stop a lot. And dont come tell me that I am > > liyng or that it isnt true. I play in orchestr and recorded like that, > > and I ha a teacher in the Belgium radio orchestra and another teacher > > on the Bamberger symphoniker. Everywhere is the same!!!!!! > > > > Another thing, why the hell are the technicias that spread Audio > > foolery FUD????? (Fear, Unceartinty and Doubt). Technicias and sound > > engeneeres dont like change, dont want to learn new workflows... it > > isnt uncomon to see technicias recording with very old software... > > they say it sounds better.....ya right.... > > Ardour is made by the same man that created JACK. JACK is way, really > > way better than ASIO made by a top funded company. That technology is > > the ardoour core. > > So to finalize, if you dont want to be acused of misinformation , then > > test ardour recording an orchestra first, on a top notch > > Computer/hardware (not on that old machine at home to run linux > > because windows cant handle it...) > > and then come and say the result. Then i will believe you. > > > > Ănothaer thing to recor an orchestra Professionaly you dont need much. > > A very good matched pair mics, very good placement mics and good > > converters.. Technically you could record an orchestra with comand > > line ...... like arecord.... > > > > See ya > > > > > > 2011/5/31 Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>>: > >> On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 00:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > >> > >> > >>> i'll use what i want for my professional needs, and you use what you > >>> want. > >> > >> Mike, that isn't the point. You said that I spread misinformation. I > >> simply would explain that you can't recommend Ardour for professional > >> usage when you record big orchestras, where nothing can be cut, copied > >> and pasted. The musicians need to play 60 minutes or longer without > >> fault (but they will fault several times), the company, e.g. the WDR > >> needs to pay an "VIP" audio engineer [1], a studio hall, a studio truck, > >> catering etc. pp.. > >> > >> One crash could cost thousands of $ or €. > >> > >> You are thinking of small studios, that might do good jobs, but that's > >> not where the big money is made. > >> > >> Pardon Mike, please answer this questions) Did you ever made such an > >> orchestra recording using Ardour? Did you ever made any orchestra > >> recording in this price segment? > >> > >> I won't abuse you and I don't say that Ardour isn't a good application, > >> my intend is just to explain, that there is a professional audio branch > >> where using Ardour and of cause ProFools too can't be done. > >> > >> [1] VIP audio engineers puts their pants on the same way as we do, but > >> big companies like the WDR use their names to sell recordings. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > >> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users</a> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Fagote / Contrafagote > > Bassoon / Contra-bassoon > > <a href="http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro" target="_blank">http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro</a> > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users</a> > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- MH<div> <a href="http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/" target="_blank">http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/</a></div><div><a href="http://wnclug.ourproject.org/" target="_blank">http://wnclug.ourproject.org/</a></div> </div>