<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Scott Lavender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scottalavender@gmail.com">scottalavender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nim.batu@gmail.com" target="_blank">nim.batu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div> </div><div>Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption for some time(and I can't see how this can get so disruptive to a serious producer/artist that it get's such a big problem, but this is just my opinion). </div>
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<br></div></blockquote></div>Hi Robert!<br><br>I have a question about this statement...Why do you think XFCE is "outdated"?<br><br>I think XFCE can look *quite* nice. I've quickly found and linked a screen shot to demonstrate. [1]<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wouldn't say that Xfce is outdated, I was just trying to say that the concept might be outdated and that a change like this in my opinion seems pretty ok, to me it seems like Gnome 3 is getting a lot of heat for nothing, most things still seems to be avaliable, but I'm not using things like applets either so maybe I'm missing something that's vital to some.</div>
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<br>I'm not sure I agree with your assertion about disrupting a serious producer/artist however. Just changing the UI to the point where a person's comfortable and favoured workflow will not work would cause quite a reaction. I don't want to imagine the reaction if we switched to something that was buggy where we lost functionality or it crashed often. <br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, but I don't think that's going to be the case. However this might depend on what kind of user you are and again this should be based on what users US is trying to attract. Personally I would say that I'm somewhat in between, I've been using linux on and of since 2005 and I know my way around it, but I'm also more of an artist really than a programmer and find that many times these two collide. Say, I'm setting up my connections for jack and get really technical about this stuff, I like to get it to run smoothly, connect stuff via. jackeq so that I can have individual volume controls between say a sampler and my web-browser, all this is nice but has nothing to do with me actually making any music. These examples aren't really problems but say perhaps that I need to get an rt-kernel installed because my computer is to slow , in theory this is simple and mostly it is but from experience I seem to encounter at least a dozen of problems related to something in my "music-making" chain of programs. My geeky side doesn't mind fixing these issues but at the same time they take away a lot of time that could be spent making music. </div>
<div><br></div><div>But that's me, and then we have those who like to get very technical(maybe your average Linux user perhaps) that spend decades configuring and customizing, and to them it's not so much about making music/art as to the many ways it can be made. However, I think most artists is neither of the above. What these people wan't is to have something that looks nice and inspiring, something that's stable and something that's pretty advanced so that they can focus on their music/art instead of having to spend a day configuring first. </div>
<div><br></div><div>And this, I think, is the direction Ubuntu and US HAS been taking for the past year at least, and I do like this a lot as I'm sure others of the above group do as well. This was also something that I felt had been taken further when testing Gnome 3 and I think reverting to Xfce would be, in this sense, taking a step back. I think US has become more than just a system for people with lot's of knowledge in linux, computers in general and who think that people that use A.) Macs are hipsters B.) Windows are stupid.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But I guess this is all about who we're trying to reach and if we're not trying to attract these people but "people who're already used to Linux and ALSO like to make music/other forms of art then maybe switching to Xfce is exactly what's best.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robert K</div><div><br></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br><br>Cheers,<br>ScottL<br><br>[1] <a href="http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg" target="_blank">http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg</a><br><br>
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