[ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 78, Issue 11

[Pete Wright]

Yes, Gord, you and I are in agreement on most of this.
I would, however, remind you that for some of us the "studio" is a "bigger
room" than the sound-only places where I was a client in the days when I
ate my lunch at the South Street "dive" in Nashville (is it still there?)
30 years ago. I was then a film maker doing interactive video for science
museums among other things. Today I write and do art photography, mostly
for recreation.
So you see that this puts us very much in the same place.
For all of us, I think what is needed is a way to call up the tools we want
and know that, unlike the games and the word processors of yore, they will
work together in the space were we are trying to use them.
It is in the application layer that users have to understand that ease of
learning is mostly a delusion and often a barrier to ease of use.
At some point the training wheels have to come off, and at that point, as
with bicycles, the user finds they haven't "trained" at all; often exactly
the opposite. Maybe menus that also show keyboard shortcuts are as close to
Nirvana as it gets.
Cheers
Pete


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Gord L Williams <info at gordlwilliams.com>wrote:

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>>  I agree,  ease of use and ease of learning are two different things.
>  Try running a computer store around the time that DOS based Windows was
> dominant,  and telling people that you can't really have a machine that
> will 'last five years'.   Or worse explaining why when junior put the game
> on the system,  Wordperfect doesn't work because the drivers were replaced
> with conflicting drivers.   This was a completely different soup,  but
> similar enough ingredients.
>
> My comments were assuming (dangerous ass word)  that it was someone like
> me who is fairly technical in background,  and yes I can switch my own
> desktop,  or follow the cut and pastes that are out there. CLI doesn't
> scare me in the least.
>
> The people who want a machine 'to last five years' (be relevant and up to
> date) probably aren't the market for any 'Nix.  Stay away, its voodoo.
>
> The people that Ubuntu and particularly specific flavours of Ubuntu like
> Ubuntustudio are aimed at can fend for themselves as a rule.  I would hope
> so,  but I am seeing some people that are just are playing with it to see
> what it is.  Some who by all indicators are interested in just dancing to
> the music it makes out of the box, in other words, "it should......"
>
> Must drive programmers and distributions crazy that monitor this stuff and
> try to listen.   Also I run the risk of sounding like one of those,  at
> least to an extent.
>
> I am saying specifically this.   Ubuntu vanilla flavour takes a lot of
> work to get it to a state where you would like it to be for audio (my
> discipline)  and you end up with Ubuntustudio (settings and everything
> probably come from the packages)  maybe you have your desktop,  but in all
> essence yes.
>
> As I have been saying most studios are for recording,  period. Anything
> from a bird chirping to a tuba.   Though most probably record music.  There
> are divisions within studio's,  some are broadcast,   some are meant for
> acoustic,  some are for mastering and the list goes on.   I am not so
> unrealistic as to say that a complete mastering studio should be
> installable out of the box, but some of the things you never use,  such as
> a guitar box should be easily removable,  preferably not at all when your
> installing to begin with.
>
> So what I have been talking about is an interactive install. Something
> like "No command line programs,  no synths (or all syths),  no ladspa
> plugins,  some plugins for eq only.    The user then builds a system more
> likely to be closer to actual use.
>
> That perhaps is a little different than ease of use.   Instead of 10
> synths or trackers,   all recording programs,  or all FOSS.   The user
> decides and may have a little help with the most likely programs to fit the
> need.   But isn't left with a long list of programs likely to never be used.
>
> Ubuntustudio has the least unwieldy menus of all.   My comments stemmed
> from the idea it could focus a bit further than it does, but thats up to
> the maintainers of the distribution.  It was and remains not a should do
> this or should do that.   I think I may know better to suggest that.
>
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