(rant) Is there any hope

Gustin Johnson gustin at meganerd.ca
Mon Mar 12 17:09:35 UTC 2012


I have been a jack users since pretty much the beginning.  The key is in
choosing hardware from vendors who are not hostile to open source OSs.  I
am a huge fan of my RME 9652 and RME ADI 8-DS,  This hardware has worked
out of the box on the last 3 machines used (an AMD 4400+, an Intel Core2
duo, and a Sandybridge based Intel).  When I can no longer use a PCI card,
I will do what I did before, research hardware components that are
supported.

It sucks that we have to do this, unfortunately there is not a lot that can
be done if the hardware vendors provide no assistance.  Even a company like
RME that has in the past been very cooperative may not always be so (the
Fireface is notorious for not working).

There is always a price for freedom.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:39 AM, daniel murray <danielmurray01 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I switched from Windows years ago - will never go back...here's my list of
> hardware that I use that always works:
>
> e-machine AMD64 (2.4ghz)
> 1 GB Ram
> 160 GB HD Sata 1
> M-Audio AudioPhile USB (version 1, 16 bit only)
> NVidia graphics chipset (imbedded)
> realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!)
> realtek NIC 100MB
>
> e-machine intel p4 2.4 ghz
> 1 gb ram
> 80 gb HD sata 1
> M-Audio Audiophile PCI 24/96
> intel graphics chipset
> realtek NIC 100MB
> asus MB
> realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!)
>
> Asus one netbook (LMAO!!)
> 2 core atom 1ghz cpu
> 1 GB ram
> 8 GB hd (5400 rpm - lmao)
> 8 GB sd (the bad transend sd cards)
> intel graphics chipset
> b43 wireless
> realtek NIC
>
> intel iMac (circa 2007)
> 1 GB Ram
> 160 GB sata 1 HD
> intel HDA sound card
> ATI Raedeon 1600XT
> intel NIC 1000GB
> b43 wireless
>
> I'm running 11.10 and 10.04 with low-latency kernels. I even use netjack
> alond with the sneaky ssh -X to link in with other PC's in the studio.
>
> Yes there is hope.
>
> Cheers, Daniel.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de>wrote:
>
>> Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-test at yahoo.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**__
>>>> Von: Hartmut Noack<zettberlin at linuxuse.de>
>>>> An: ubuntu-studio-users at lists.**ubuntu.com<ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012
>>>> Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope
>>>>
>>>> Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.:
>>>>
>>>>> So, if I ready correctly:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you
>>>> would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and
>>>>> mixing environment.
>>>>> Why:
>>>>>        1) kernel issues
>>>>>        2) driver issues
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations
>>>> of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including
>>>> Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does
>>>> not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus
>>>> the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my
>>>> Firewire-interface.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great.
>>>> It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and
>>>> soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Options:
>>>>>        1) Use a new distro that some say is great !  ( a new clone of
>>>>> ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands,
>>>> for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did
>>>> work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to
>>>> support the same as good.
>>>>
>>>>         2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff,
>>>>> maybe all
>>>>> you need    - realistic option
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not
>>>> work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others.
>>>>
>>>>         3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API           -
>>>>> unrealistic
>>>>> option
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API"  Jack
>>>> and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found
>>>> a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these
>>>> APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is
>>>> irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this.
>>>>
>>>>  Ubuntu/Linux is
>>>>> supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production
>>>>> is not
>>>>> one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants
>>>> did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS
>>>>> layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to
>>>>> work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your
>>>> interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of
>>>> MacOSX?
>>>>
>>>> Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such
>>>> issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion,
>>>> that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  , why
>>>>> ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because
>>>>> the
>>>>> kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you
>>>>> are
>>>>> not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu
>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse.
>>>>
>>>> best regards
>>>>
>>>> HZN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza<tezalprod at gmail.com>   escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>> Should try.Tango Studio
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Teza.
>>>>>> Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green"<rtg at aapsc.com>   a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing
>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire
>>>>>>> interface,
>>>>>>> largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the
>>>>>>> ffado
>>>>>>> project.  I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS.  The clean
>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>> wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge
>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>> of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled
>>>>>>> locally, I
>>>>>>> was up and running.  I've used that installation for every recording
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> done since.  For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to
>>>>>>> work-around
>>>>>>> its quirks
>>>>>>>    When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to
>>>>>>> see the
>>>>>>> latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the
>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>> I start up programs.  But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof.
>>>>>>>    Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are
>>>>>>> stacking up faster than ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave
>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>> first attempt with the firewire interface...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the
>>>>>>> ffado-dbus-server.  With this one, it merely complains that the dbus
>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>> isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then
>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>> restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'.
>>>>>>>    This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run
>>>>>>> ffado-test
>>>>>>> ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire
>>>>>>> driver,
>>>>>>> accepting all the defaults for now.  When I attempt to start jack,
>>>>>>> it fails
>>>>>>> with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or
>>>>>>> ffado-dbus-server
>>>>>>> first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start
>>>>>>> ffado-mixer first.)
>>>>>>>    I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two
>>>>>>> tracks of
>>>>>>> whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time.
>>>>>>>  About 24
>>>>>>> minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns
>>>>>>> recorded(!),
>>>>>>> jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is
>>>>>>> locked up,
>>>>>>> too.  I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power
>>>>>>> it back
>>>>>>> on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack.  Only then could I tell
>>>>>>> Ardour
>>>>>>> to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's
>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>> was messed up.  I could move the playhead either directly, or with
>>>>>>> the |<<
>>>>>>> button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the
>>>>>>> aborted
>>>>>>> capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect.
>>>>>>>    I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and
>>>>>>> qjackctl
>>>>>>> threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already
>>>>>>> shut down
>>>>>>> at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then
>>>>>>> qjackctl
>>>>>>> itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding'
>>>>>>> message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the
>>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>>> and resort to kill -9 again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I
>>>>>>> don't see
>>>>>>> any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this.
>>>>>>>  Have they
>>>>>>> gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would
>>>>>>> it be
>>>>>>> any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Rick Green
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
>>>>>>> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>>>>>>>                                    -Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our
>>>>>>> safety and our ideals."
>>>>>>>                                 -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Hello Hartmut,
>>>>
>>>> could you post the setup of your systems that have always worked?
>>>>
>>>
>> PC
>> with Asus-Board and IntelQuadcore
>> NVidia-Graphics(prop. drivers)
>> MAudio Audiophile 2496 (does not work well with PA, perfectly with ALSA
>> and Jack. Since KXStudio bridges PA to Jack and starts Jack by default,
>> this is no issue to be solved by hand anymore))
>> Presonus Firebox (trouble can be caused by some FW-Chipsets, works best
>> with the built-in of the ASUS)
>> MAudio mobile Pre USB (Jack needs to be forced to use 16bit)
>>
>> I use the MAudio mobile with a Thinkpad T60 also, works out of the box in
>> Fedora+CCRMA and Suse
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> HZN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Maybe you have done that already and it is available somewhere in an
>>> archive or blog, please send me the URL. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On a different topic.
>>>> I was getting very tired of listening to the fan noise of my laptop. I
>>>> had bought an external fan (ZALMAN) onto which I would place the laptop and
>>>> it was working quite well, but still: noise. Maybe the open source graphics
>>>> driver wasn't able to control the fan too well.
>>>> I looked for alternatives and considered several options e.g. server
>>>> and thin client setup, with a server in a different room. Or a tower PC
>>>> with extra quite fans.
>>>>
>>>> For a couple of days now, working on the PC has become a new sensation.
>>>> I found a completely fan-less system (http://www.caseking.de/shop/**
>>>> catalog/King-Mod-No-Noise-**HTPC-Gigabyte-AMD-APU-E350::**17711.html<http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/King-Mod-No-Noise-HTPC-Gigabyte-AMD-APU-E350::17711.html>).
>>>> I've added a Samsung SDD and a 21" LED monitor from AOC. Currently I am
>>>> running xubuntu 11.10.  I haven't tweaked it yet (e.g. 3D graphics drivers,
>>>> desktop effects, etc.). I was looking for some nice temperature meter on
>>>> the desktop for xfce, but I think I need compiz for desktop effects first.
>>>> So far I have a terminal open with "watch sensors", that keeps me updated
>>>> on the temperature of the system. On the average it is about 50 degrees
>>>> Celcius, very similar to what I saw on my laptop with fans.
>>>> I learned that when using Gigabyte motherboards and trying to boot from
>>>> USB sticks is not easily accomplished. But thanks to others sharing their
>>>> solution, I was able to install xubuntu from a USB stick.
>>>> I am not sure whether the CPU power will be enough for more heavyweight
>>>> kind of work (e.g. video encoding), but general applications (office,
>>>> browser) are a breeze.
>>>> Standby and suspend worked out of the box. Apparently the network card:
>>>> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
>>>> controller (rev 06) can have problems with dual boot Windows (where Windows
>>>> puts it into sleep during shutdown and the linux driver not being able to
>>>> wake it up again - or something). I don't have dual boot at the moment, so
>>>> I cannot comment on that. But I have seen this behavior on a laptop (ASUS,
>>>> AMD E450) with dual boot .
>>>> ...
>>>> and still: no noise :)
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to share.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Stefan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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