*Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

[Daryl Haataja]

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robert Klaar <nim.batu at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Scott Lavender <scottalavender at gmail.com>
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>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar <nim.batu at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much
>>> worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption for some
>>> time(and I can't see how this can get so disruptive to a serious
>>> producer/artist that it get's such a big problem, but this is just my
>>> opinion).
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>> Hi Robert!
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>> I have a question about this statement...Why do you think XFCE is
>> "outdated"?
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>> I think XFCE can look *quite* nice.  I've quickly found and linked a
>> screen shot to demonstrate. [1]
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> I wouldn't say that Xfce is outdated, I was just trying to say that the
> concept might be outdated and that a change like this in my opinion seems
> pretty ok, to me it seems like Gnome 3 is getting a lot of heat for nothing,
> most things still seems to be avaliable, but I'm not using things like
> applets either so maybe I'm missing something that's vital to some.
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>> I'm not sure I agree with your assertion about disrupting a serious
>> producer/artist however.  Just changing the UI to the point where a person's
>> comfortable and favoured workflow will not work would cause quite a
>> reaction.  I don't want to imagine the reaction if we switched to something
>> that was buggy where we lost functionality or it crashed often.
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> Yes, but I don't think that's going to be the case. However this might
> depend on what kind of user you are and again this should be based on what
> users US is trying to attract. Personally I would say that I'm somewhat in
> between, I've been using linux on and of since 2005 and I know my way around
> it, but I'm also more of an artist really than a programmer and find that
> many times these two collide. Say, I'm setting up my connections for jack
> and get really technical about this stuff, I like to get it to run smoothly,
> connect stuff via. jackeq so that I can have individual volume controls
> between say a sampler and my web-browser, all this is nice but has nothing
> to do with me actually making any music. These examples aren't really
> problems but say perhaps that I need to get an rt-kernel installed because
> my computer is to slow , in theory this is simple and mostly it is but from
> experience I seem to encounter at least a dozen of problems related to
> something in my "music-making" chain of programs. My geeky side doesn't mind
> fixing these issues but at the same time they take away a lot of time that
> could be spent making music.
> But that's me, and then we have those who like to get very technical(maybe
> your average Linux user perhaps) that spend decades configuring and
> customizing, and to them it's not so much about making music/art as to the
> many ways it can be made. However, I think most artists is neither of the
> above. What these people wan't is to have something that looks nice and
> inspiring, something that's stable and something that's pretty advanced so
> that they can focus on their music/art instead of having to spend a day
> configuring first.
> And this, I think, is the direction Ubuntu and US HAS been taking for the
> past year at least, and I do like this a lot as I'm sure others of the above
> group do as well. This was also something that I felt had been taken further
> when testing Gnome 3 and I think reverting to Xfce would be, in this sense,
> taking a step back. I think US has become more than just a system for people
> with lot's of knowledge in linux, computers in general and who think that
> people that use A.) Macs are hipsters B.) Windows are stupid.
> But I guess this is all about who we're trying to reach and if we're not
> trying to attract these people but "people who're already used to Linux and
> ALSO like to make music/other forms of art then maybe switching to Xfce is
> exactly what's best.
> Best,
> Robert K
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>> Cheers,
>> ScottL
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>> [1] http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg
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