Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11

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pls dont email me anymore  Ive tried to get into ubuntu  forums and cant and 
ive also tried to ask for help and ive got none  I will figure this out some 
how but again YOU have been not help
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>   1. Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations? (Erik Rasmussen)
>   2. Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations? (Christopher Stamper)
>   3. Ubuntu Studio Testers team on Launchpad (Eric Hedekar)
>   4. Re: camrecorder DV and karmic (Eric Hedekar)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:55:17 -0600
> From: Erik Rasmussen <MailForErik at GMail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations?
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Thanks so much for all the responses!  Any thoughts on these comments?
>
> Need to work with full quality compressed files:
> Ardour seemed like the program I should learn to use, but I was rather put
> off by the lack of FLAC support and requirement to manually convert all
> files to WAVE using some other software.  It also seemed like I randomly 
> had
> trouble getting Ardour to capture or playback audio.  Any tips?
> *
> *
> In producing a 30 minute radio broadcast program, I work with numerous 
> audio
> files that are normally in excess of 1 hour in length.  Full CD quality 
> Wave
> files of this length consume a lot of hard drive space and with the volume
> of files that I need to record, capture and edit, it is simply not real
> practical to work in Wave files.  FLAC serves very well in that you get 
> full
> quality without the space consumption of Wave files.
>
> Sony Sound Forge and Sony Vegas Pro do something they call "proxy 
> compressed
> files".  So when you go to open a compressed file their software
> de-compresses it automatically, (without requiring the user to do so
> manually), and allows you to work with the file, and then when you save 
> the
> software it will save back to the compressed format and automatically 
> delete
> the "proxy file" when you close the application.  It would be nice if 
> Ardour
> could do something like that.
>
> I see that Daniel Worth said Ardour 2.8.3 can import and export FLAC 
> files.
> Is that the version of Ardour that comes with Ubuntu Studio 9.10?
>
> *AUDACITY:*
> I want to like Audacity, but it seems very slow for me to save and a 
> little
> cumbersome to navigate.  As stated above, I'm generally working with large
> files and perhaps that's what slows down Audacity?  When I started digital
> audio production I had to sacrifice lots of wait time while the software 
> did
> it's saving.  I hate to have to go back to long wait times again.
>
> Does anyone know of any tricks to make Audacity save large files faster, 
> or
> are there any other alternative audio editing and mixing software programs
> anyone would recommend?
>
> I really appreciate the advice and tips from you all.  This is my last
> important task which I need to migrate to Linux before I can dump my last
> Windows PC and run only on Linux.
>
> Thanks!
> -Erik
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 08:20, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de> 
> wrote:
>
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>> Erik Rasmussen schrieb:
>> > Looking for Hardware and Software recommendations...
>> >
>> > *HARDWARE:*
>> >
>> >    1. If you build your own desktop computer and you plan to install
>> Ubuntu
>> >    Studio to do broadcast audio and video production, what *motherboard 
>> > *
>>
>> Any recent mid-price motherboard will do. If you buy a new one from the
>> shelf the older the better....
>>
>> > and
>> >    *audio **card *do you recommend?
>>
>> Depending on budget:
>>
>> lowest: MAudio Audiophile (around Euro/USD 80,-) no other reasonable
>> card on the market works the same as smoothly.
>>
>> more: MAudio Delta (the same as the Audiophile yet with more analogue
>> channels)
>>
>> pro: RME Hammerfall DSP - unbeatable yet with around 500+ on ebay not
>> quite cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> >    2. If you are about to purchase a *laptop *for audio and video
>> production
>> >    and to use Ubuntu Studio, what laptop do you recommend?
>>
>> > *What Linux native software do you recommend
>> > for broadcast quality audio and video production?*
>>
>> Every software on Linux produces sound at the maximum quality level that
>> can be handled by the hardware.
>> There is no artificial limitation in terms of quality in free software
>> for Linux.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Brief list of *some *software features desired:
>> >
>> >    1. Can open, edit and save as FLAC audio files (without having to
>> >    manually convert first).
>> >    2. Multi-track editing capabilities.
>> >    3. Very detailed graphical representation of waveform.
>> >    4. Fast to open and to save files.
>> >    5. Visual feedback of audio levels or graphical representation of
>> >    waveform while recording and playback.
>> >    6. Able to gracefully handle and mix with audio files of varying
>> sample
>> >    and bit rates.
>> >
>>
>> I also recommend Ardour but you have to accept, that you need to open
>> ("import") every file you want to use in Ardour. There is no
>> "rightklick/open with ardour" option in any filemanager. Ardour itself
>> knows only one fileformat, all external files you want to use are
>> converted with the import.
>> Thus Ardour can offer maximum performance/comfort and soundquality. And
>> ask whoever you want in the pro-audioscene: nobody will name a single
>> reason to actually work with compressed fileformats.
>>
>> Regarding movies: Ardour can be synched with the videoplayer xjadeo to
>> make it work for post-production. To cut/arrange movies in the first
>> place I recommend openmovieeditor - it is available for ubuntu studio
>> and works reliable and fast while it has everything one would use dayly
>> when working with final cut
>>
>> best regs
>>
>> HZN
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> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:39:55 -0500
> From: Christopher Stamper <christopherstamper at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations?
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Erik Rasmussen 
> <MailForErik at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for all the responses!  Any thoughts on these comments?
>>
>> Need to work with full quality compressed files:
>> Ardour seemed like the program I should learn to use, but I was rather 
>> put
>> off by the lack of FLAC support and requirement to manually convert all
>> files to WAVE using some other software.  It also seemed like I randomly 
>> had
>> trouble getting Ardour to capture or playback audio.  Any tips?
>>
> In producing a 30 minute radio broadcast program, I work with numerous 
> audio
>> files that are normally in excess of 1 hour in length.  Full CD quality 
>> Wave
>> files of this length consume a lot of hard drive space and with the 
>> volume
>> of files that I need to record, capture and edit, it is simply not real
>> practical to work in Wave files.  FLAC serves very well in that you get 
>> full
>> quality without the space consumption of Wave files.
>>
>> Sony Sound Forge and Sony Vegas Pro do something they call "proxy
>> compressed files".  So when you go to open a compressed file their 
>> software
>> de-compresses it automatically, (without requiring the user to do so
>> manually), and allows you to work with the file, and then when you save 
>> the
>> software it will save back to the compressed format and automatically 
>> delete
>> the "proxy file" when you close the application.  It would be nice if 
>> Ardour
>> could do something like that.
>>
>
> Are you understanding the typical DAW workflow?
>
> Your project folder contains all the audio for the project, in whatever
> format the DAW (in this case Ardour) chooses to use. If you import 
> existing
> audio to the project, such as a FLAC file, the DAW will copy and maybe
> convert the file automatically. There will now be a new file in the 
> project
> folder. The file you imported can be deleted without effecting the 
> project.
>
> You can record audio in the project, and files will automatically be 
> created
> in the background.
>
> All audio in the project is represented as one or more regions. You can 
> move
> these 'regions' around in the project, and merge or split them. It doesn't
> matter if they came from an external file, or if it was recorded from 
> within
> the DAW software.
>
> When you are done, you export the project as a single track in whatever
> format you choose. This is how almost all 'pro audio' software works, so 
> you
> might as well just get used to it. It really makes more sense than 
> anything
> else.
>
> Note that through the entire process, you shouldn't have to worry about 
> the
> files or file formats. Everything is done automatically. The exception
> obviously is importing/exporting.
>
>
>
>> I see that Daniel Worth said Ardour 2.8.3 can import and export FLAC 
>> files.
>>  Is that the version of Ardour that comes with Ubuntu Studio 9.10?
>>
>
> If not all you have to do is let it update (via update manager/apt).
>
>
> *AUDACITY:*
>> I want to like Audacity, but it seems very slow for me to save and a 
>> little
>> cumbersome to navigate.  As stated above, I'm generally working with 
>> large
>> files and perhaps that's what slows down Audacity?  When I started 
>> digital
>> audio production I had to sacrifice lots of wait time while the software 
>> did
>> it's saving.  I hate to have to go back to long wait times again.
>>
>> Does anyone know of any tricks to make Audacity save large files faster, 
>> or
>> are there any other alternative audio editing and mixing software 
>> programs
>> anyone would recommend?
>>
>
> Audacity is *bad*. Really bad.
>
> Well, ok maybe it's not that bad. But I have no idea why you would want to
> use it for anything but a quick edit operation. Ardour can do everything 
> it
> can, and more (except maybe mp3 exports ;-). Plus, Ardour is easier to 
> use.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> -- 
> Christopher Stamper
>
> Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com
> Skype: cdstamper
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:53:26 -0800
> From: Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep at gmail.com>
> Subject: Ubuntu Studio Testers team on Launchpad
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>, "Ubuntu Studio Development &
> Technical Discussion" <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>,
> danielivanalvarez at gmail.com, Javier Pulido
> <javier at englishbaytechnologies.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> This is an announcement about a new community team dedicated to testing
> Ubuntu Studio.  We'd love your participation in this community.
>
> It's clear that the testing portion of our development cycle needs more
> manpower, and it's also one of the areas that has a low barrier for entry
> for members.  It's quite easy to test Ubuntu Studio provided you're
> comfortable running the development release and reporting bugs.  This
> community will hopefully bring the people currently testing Ubuntu Studio
> together, encourage more people to join and test Ubuntu Studio, and as a
> result, make Ubuntu Studio rock solid.  We really do need your help with
> this.
>
> As a start for this community, we've created a Launchpad team at
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers complete with a mailing list 
> at
> ubuntustudio-testers at lists.launchpad.net for the team to discuss anything
> and everything releated to testing Ubuntu Studio.  Please join this
> launchpad team and subscribe yourself to the mailing list.  As the 
> community
> grows we will surely evolve to have more communication channels, but for 
> now
> this is a great start.
>
> If you're confident enough to run the development release of Ubuntu Studio
> and report bugs you find, please sign up for this launchpad team.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> - Eric Hedekar
>
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:43:00 -0800
> From: Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: camrecorder DV and karmic
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, laurent.bellegarde <
> laurent.bellegarde at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The lprod.org team is now testing hardly Ubuntu Studio Karmic before an
>> official presentation to the public, saturday, November 28 in Paris (1h
>> face to public, TV cameras, radios), in the sciences's city.
>>
>> The kernel RT and the music software are working fine, but we are
>> thinking there is a large trouble in UBS 9.10 with the DV connection to
>> a camrecorder DV.
>>
>> With severals camrecoders DV knowed to work in DV via a firewire card
>> integrated or another laptop with a firewire expresscard controller
>> under hardy UBS (production) and jaunty UBS for testing, we discover
>> that even after controls, editing system files, and groups/permissions
>> changes, it seems to be impossible to detect the camera. Dvgrab in
>> terminal still always says : no camera...
>>
>> Is there a major bug in karmic ?
>>
>> raw1394, ohci1394, ieee1394 have been probed and permissions controlled,
>> even video1394, and dv1394 (old and deprecated). Audio, video and disk
>> group have been probed too. None are working.
>>
>> Any "good "ideas" are welcomed !!!
>>
>> Bye,
>>
>> Laurent,
>> lprod.org
>> France
>>
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> Laurent
>
> What errors are you seeing?  In /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules do
> you see a line that contains "raw1394" ?
>
> - Eric Hedekar
> _______________________________________
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>  http://www.vancouverpromusica.ca
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