compose59 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 24 20:32:38 GMT 2009
Why can't we make pulse optional in UBStudio?
I understand UBS as an audio specific distro that focuses on
audio/multimedia production. We use RT, Jack, etc, knowing precisely what
UBS is designed for.
The only version of pulse i have installed now is in the laptop that i use
for admin (Ubuntu Hardy). In that environment it serves me well, and
objectively, i don't think it will be long before pulse becomes the generic
audio choice for most distros, as it provides a common framework for devs to
work with, something we could do with more of on the linux planet.
However UBStudio, and other audio specific distros, are designed for a
purpose, that, in most cases, requires a RT, or near realtime specific
environment in which we gain the most advantage. As i understand it, pulse
already introduces a degree of latency in it's operation that is
counterproductive to realtime audio work. (Correct me if i have the bear by
the wrong ear here.)
In reference to my note about the laptop, i'd find it more useful if the UBS
team could devote a little time in consideration of building an RT kernel
for powerpc owners, be it laptops like mine (G4, circa 1800) to the powerful
beasts that came out before apple went intel.
I'm confident there's more than one user who has a spare ppc computer
gathering dust that's crying out for use as a second box, driving
linuxsampler, or plugins, etc...
My little laptop with UB hardy ppc runs a good deal faster than it ever did
with mac, and i'd dearly like to see it do the gazelle thing, speaking
audiosyncratically, of course.....
So UBS pulse out, and ppc UB RT in here.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep at gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:46 AM, sandie <sandie at sandgreen.dk> wrote:
>> Hi all
>> One of the first things I do when installing a new UbuntuStudio, is
>> purging the system of Pulse and setting the system to use Alsa. I have
>> done it so many times by now, and have even thought of making a script
>> that automates the process.
>> I know I'm not the only one who doesnt use Pulse in UbuntuSudio, in
>> fact, I don't think I have ever heard of anyone using their pc
>> UbuntuStudio machine for audio/midi-production who uses Pulse :-)
>> Can't we have an option to NOT use Pulse in the install ?
>> With kind regards and respect to the UbuntuStudio devs
> Well I certainly regularly use and enjoy the features, and ease-of-use,
> that Pulse brings to my laptop. Furthermore, as it's the desired central
> hub for Ubuntu's (current and) future sound chain, it's unlikely that a
> disable option will be looked upon as a beneficial feature by the devs.
> Such an option would just allow application developers to forget about
> adding proper Pulse support. It would also probably cause many more issues
> than it solves from uneducated people opting out of Pulse or having their
> system messed up by the script at some point (there'd also need to be a
> feature to re-install Pulse as default should one change their mind).
> Currently, the removal of Pulse is a 'remove at your own discretion'
> modification; changing that to an install-time operation would imply
> official support for non-Pulse systems (this is the biggest issue behind
> your idea) and would require a large number of devs to bug-check and
> maintain this branch of the sound-server setup.
> Essentially, the sound-server setup is complicated enough as it is; adding
> official non-Pulse support would just add to everyone's headaches (and yes
> this includes the end-user).
> The closest thing I could imagine to what you're asking for, is: if you (or
> some other Pulse-hater) wrote a program/script that uninstalled Pulse,
> released it, refined it, fixed it, added a GUI, and packaged it for
> inclusion into Ubuntu's Universe repository, then it might get accepted.
> But I doubt that even then would it be included as an installable option on
> Just my point of view.
> -Eric Hedekar
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