Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our system sounds.

Tue Jan 29 08:42:45 GMT 2008

Ahh, this conversation (cinelerra and vst) has been moved to an other
thread by the way.

On Jan 29, 2008 9:40 AM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 2008 2:36 AM, Haig Dedeyan <hdedeyan at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > You only outlined 20 hours of your day. You still have another 4 hours to help
> > people :-)
> >
> >
> > FWIW, I think ubuntu studio is a very solid distro compared to others that I
> > tried so kudos to the whole team.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps adding cinelerra and a very painless way of having vst plugins would
> > throw this distro miles ahead of everyone else.
> >
>
> Having those would really be nice indeed. But both have troublesome
> licensing issues, which is a major show stopper since the distro would
> become break the law. The video world is very difficult in linux
> because of all the patenting and property behind all major codecs, a
> great example is the dv format video cams use, and the weird avi
> license issues.
>
> vst is property of steinbeck and they don't allow much distribution either.
>
> maybe this things will become more open eventually, at least I hope so.
>
> Luis de Bethencourt
>
>
> > Haig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday 28 January 2008 18:48:25 Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> > > And by the way... just to give you a feel of how time consumed we
> > > are... I give you a peek of my life...
> > >
> > > I have a part time software development job.
> > > I'm in collegue studying computer science engineering.
> > > Vicepresident of a photographer's NGO.
> > > Videoartist/VJ.
> > > Help in some stuff in general Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > Plus I'm a core developer of Ubuntu Studio. Which is why you guys are
> > > reading me right now.
> > >
> > > Free time? Hmmmmm... not really :P
> > >
> > > Luis de Bethencourt
> > >
> > > On Jan 29, 2008 12:33 AM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > > Ohh and by the way, the whole thread was about asking for help for
> > > > something that if you guys aren't chimming in, won't work in Hardy.
> > > > Which is no big deal since it's no show stopper, just a little nice
> > > > feature to have for your enjoyment.
> > > >
> > > > So it's more like a... "if it isn't in Hardy, well, you guys know why"
> > > >
> > > > No hard feelings.
> > > >
> > > > Luis
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 29, 2008 12:30 AM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > > > OK guys... Let me throw some cold water to this debate and clarify
> > > > > things since I know where everybody is coming from.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cory K., as myself is tired of a lack of quid pro cuo from the
> > > > > community. We deal in a daily basis with people with a lot of sudden
> > > > > motivation to help, that need to learn a lot. Which don't get me
> > > > > wrong, it isn't bad, we all were newcomers when we started but we grab
> > > > > their hand and spend a lot of our time helping this newcomers to see
> > > > > them just disappear a few days later.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose everybody here has some IRC experience... it is the
> > > > > development example of when in a support channel, somebody comes in
> > > > > without reading the manual, machine guns questions about his problem,
> > > > > expects quick and extensive replies, and when he gets his problem
> > > > > fixed he just logs off from irc and bye bye for ever. no writing down
> > > > > the fix somewhere other people can find it, no staying around the irc
> > > > > channel to help other newcomers.
> > > > >
> > > > > We Ubuntu Studio developers, and Ubuntu developers in general are
> > > > > volunteers. So just imagine how frustrating it can be to loose time
> > > > > frequently with this people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meaning no offence to thomas fischer I can tell he hasn't even done a
> > > > > launchpad search, and he comes and asks Cory to explain him the
> > > > > problem into detail. Stating he doesn't have time, well, we don't too
> > > > > and here comes Cory's reply...
> > > > > "When you're willing to help, I'll answer. I get more than enough
> > > > > "suggestions" on a daily basis."
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe the word selection was not correct. What he means is please
> > > > > research, use your time and offer me a solution. Just not come along,
> > > > > ask me to stop and answer 5 questions, and try something this list
> > > > > which contains some stuff that has already been done.
> > > > >
> > > > > My respect to Fernando, he proves interest too bad he lacks the
> > > > > technical knowledge, I do sincerely hope he finds it very fun, enjoys
> > > > > it and learns from it.
> > > > >
> > > > > About Eddie, show some respect please. Free software is a meritocratic
> > > > > system. Please don't come here trying to get a flame war started, go
> > > > > contribute as best as you can in the project that you like best.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now throw the rocks at me if you like...
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis de Bethencourt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 9:29 PM, Eddie Armstrong <eddie_armstrong at ntlworld.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Cory K. wrote:
> > > > > > > Eddie Armstrong wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>  When you're willing to help, I'll answer. I get more than
> > > > > > >>>> enough "suggestions" on a daily basis.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> May i remind you that your rudeness is not in the spirit of
> > > > > > >> Ubuntu!! - and I don't think you have a right to address members
> > > > > > >> of this list like this - I for one don't like to read this sort of
> > > > > > >> rudeness to fellow Ubuntu users
> > > > > > >> Here's another  suggestions
> > > > > > >> If you can't take the heat..
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Eddie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I get constant shit, offer people the opportunity to help and
> > > > > > > it doesn't happen I usually just take it. No more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll say what I want and will give what I get.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Take your own advice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Cory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll take my own advice
> > > > > > - if you're an example of what people have to put up with in order to
> > > > > > use Ubuntu Studio you can shove it -
> > > > > > being a developer doesn't mean you can talk to people the way you do
> > > > > > and if this list can't keep juveniles from having tantrums then I'll
> > > > > > leave it too!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eddie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> Luis de Bethencourt Guimerá
> luisbg
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