Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our system sounds.

[Luis de Bethencourt]

Ohh and by the way, the whole thread was about asking for help for
something that if you guys aren't chimming in, won't work in Hardy.
Which is no big deal since it's no show stopper, just a little nice
feature to have for your enjoyment.

So it's more like a... "if it isn't in Hardy, well, you guys know why"

No hard feelings.

Luis


On Jan 29, 2008 12:30 AM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> OK guys... Let me throw some cold water to this debate and clarify
> things since I know where everybody is coming from.
>
> Cory K., as myself is tired of a lack of quid pro cuo from the
> community. We deal in a daily basis with people with a lot of sudden
> motivation to help, that need to learn a lot. Which don't get me
> wrong, it isn't bad, we all were newcomers when we started but we grab
> their hand and spend a lot of our time helping this newcomers to see
> them just disappear a few days later.
>
> I suppose everybody here has some IRC experience... it is the
> development example of when in a support channel, somebody comes in
> without reading the manual, machine guns questions about his problem,
> expects quick and extensive replies, and when he gets his problem
> fixed he just logs off from irc and bye bye for ever. no writing down
> the fix somewhere other people can find it, no staying around the irc
> channel to help other newcomers.
>
> We Ubuntu Studio developers, and Ubuntu developers in general are
> volunteers. So just imagine how frustrating it can be to loose time
> frequently with this people.
>
> Meaning no offence to thomas fischer I can tell he hasn't even done a
> launchpad search, and he comes and asks Cory to explain him the
> problem into detail. Stating he doesn't have time, well, we don't too
> and here comes Cory's reply...
> "When you're willing to help, I'll answer. I get more than enough
> "suggestions" on a daily basis."
>
> Maybe the word selection was not correct. What he means is please
> research, use your time and offer me a solution. Just not come along,
> ask me to stop and answer 5 questions, and try something this list
> which contains some stuff that has already been done.
>
> My respect to Fernando, he proves interest too bad he lacks the
> technical knowledge, I do sincerely hope he finds it very fun, enjoys
> it and learns from it.
>
> About Eddie, show some respect please. Free software is a meritocratic
> system. Please don't come here trying to get a flame war started, go
> contribute as best as you can in the project that you like best.
>
> Now throw the rocks at me if you like...
>
> Luis de Bethencourt
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2008 9:29 PM, Eddie Armstrong <eddie_armstrong at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Cory K. wrote:
> > > Eddie Armstrong wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>  When you're willing to help, I'll answer. I get more than enough
> > >>>> "suggestions" on a daily basis.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >> May i remind you that your rudeness is not in the spirit of Ubuntu!! -
> > >> and I don't think you have a right to address members of this list like
> > >> this - I for one don't like to read this sort of rudeness to fellow
> > >> Ubuntu users
> > >> Here's another  suggestions
> > >> If you can't take the heat..
> > >>
> > >> Eddie
> > >>
> > >
> > > When I get constant shit, offer people the opportunity to help and it
> > > doesn't happen I usually just take it. No more.
> > >
> > > I'll say what I want and will give what I get.
> > >
> > > Take your own advice.
> > >
> > > -Cory
> > >
> > >
> > I'll take my own advice
> > - if you're an example of what people have to put up with in order to
> > use Ubuntu Studio you can shove it -
> > being a developer doesn't mean you can talk to people the way you do and
> > if this list can't keep juveniles from having tantrums then I'll leave
> > it too!
> >
> > Eddie
> >
> >
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>
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