Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate

Christopher Stamper christopherstamper at gmail.com
Tue Feb 19 16:25:46 GMT 2008


Somehow this topic always seems to be a popular one. Just like the OS
debate... :-)

Strange, isn't it?

On Feb 19, 2008 8:53 AM, Karlheinz Noise <khzmusik at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Thats how they used to do it. Yes, and on some it worked great. The
> lasers are the "modern way" of creating it.
>
> Sorry, but you are wrong.
>
> Every single person who presses records, that I know about anyway, use a
> lathe that physically cuts the grooves into the lacquer using a needle
> connected to an amplifier. There is a "new" method of pressing called Direct
> Metal Mastering, but that just cuts the grooves into a copper plate instead
> of a lacquer - thus saving one step in the plating process, and
> theoretically losing less high end, but at the cost of being able to press
> fewer records from a single master. But DMM uses the same lathes as the
> lacquer process does.
>
> They used to cut records directly from a microphone ("direct-to-disc"),
> but they stopped doing that in the 1950's when they invented magnetic tape.
>
> Here are some videos that show how records are made:
>
> How Vinyl Records Are Made PART 1 OF 2 (from the Discovery Channel's "How
> It's Made")
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUGRRUecBik
>
> How Vinyl Records Are Made PART 2 OF 2
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IReDh9ec_rk
>
> How vinyl records Are made (interview with Ron Murphy, RIP)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDmBx4R-Gas
>
> How a record is made (inside The Cutting Suite, London - this one is kinda
> dumb, I included it to show that they use an regular lathe as well)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNrtCac9Fs
>
> Tour of United Record Pressing plant
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43n5bVXAqzo
>
> Command Performance (1942)
> http://www.archive.org/details/CommandP1942
>
> See also this thread:
> http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-44239.html
>
> One thing to consider: The idea that vinyl is more of a "pure" sound than
> CD shows how little anyone knows about audio. The physical properties of
> vinyl definitely color the sound; in order to compensate for this, all audio
> mastered for vinyl must go through a rather extreme equalization process
> (called the RIAA Curve):
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization
>
> In addition, both the upper frequency limit and dynamic range of vinyl are
> lower than can be achieved on a CD:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_recording#LP_versus_CD
>
> My favorite "vinylphiles" are those dorks who believe that it vinyl sounds
> better than CD's when you rip them to 192K MP3. (And don't get me started on
> cassettes...)
>
> Now, you may say that records produced on vinyl "just sound better" than
> records produced on CD. And you're right - they often do. But this isn't the
> fault of the medium; it's the fault of the producers, recording engineers,
> and mastering engineers. Simply put, making a good-sounding record requires
> years of experience, and those who were actually good at it are too used to
> their analog tools to learn digital, so those who do it digitally are
> constantly having to re-invent the wheel.
>
> And that's assuming modern artists are interested at all. The future of
> music resides in bedroom musicians. How many of them want to pay $2000 just
> to have someone master their mixes, when they can do a crappy job with their
> LADSPA plugins (or cracked VST's) for free?
>
> I know I don't.
>
> -Karlheinz
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