<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><div>I want to unsubscribe.</div><div> </div><div>Sorry but I use Windows 10.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks.</div><div> </div><div>Best regards</div><div> </div><div>David Neil Kristensen </div><div>> From: ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50 > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:00:25 +0000 > > Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Artwork license (lukefromdc@hushmail.com) > 2. Artwork license (Mike Holstein) > 3. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > 4. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > 5. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:05:42 -0400 > From: lukefromdc@hushmail.com > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license > Message-ID: <20150921220542.592C0200DA@smtp.hushmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > That's a good point. Consider this scenario: People put their names on everything. > and the software is used by insurgents against a repressive regime. Unable to catch > the insurgents, the regime in question simply goes after any and all persons whose > names can be tied to the work, copyright holders of the tools included. > > Here in the US, if someone is arrested with a cell phone, every person whose phone > number is in that phone is potentially placed at risk if the case is "hot" enough. In > addition, metadata attached to finished work can be used to tie one piece of work > to another. That plus concealing the camera I use is why all jpegs I publish shot from > my camera are stripped of their metadata. For years I have encouraged the anonymization > of such things: if you always strip metadata, you won't forget to do so when it really > counts, like when a police shooting triggers an uprising and police hunt independent > cameramen and videographers for "evidence." > > It is also a common practice here that when underground activists put "points on the > board" against something like logging or gas fracking, aboveground activists whose > names are known are harassed. > > There is a lot of media published by those who must conceal their true names! I don't > permit my "legal" name to cross the Internet, and release the news media pieces I > write to public domain with no names on photos or videos other than those of other > activists who want their names used and provided 3ed party media. > > > On 9/21/2015 at 5:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote: > > > >On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote: > >>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ? > > > >Hi, > > > >I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because > >they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how > >to > >make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open > >the > >svg file. > >Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the > >ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license? > > > >$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}' > >ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16 > >$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright > >License: CC-BY-SA-2.5 > > > >[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint > >stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of > >the > >copyright holders? [/ironic] > > > >Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I > >would make my own art public without a license. > > > >The other question was about meta data add by applications. I > >didn't > >miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to > >create a jpg, png, svg? > > > >For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program, > >DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender > >150XL or what ever else was used. > > > >A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes > > > >$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment > >Comment : Created with GIMP > > > >because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for > >recognition by > >the coders or do they help to fulfil laws? > > > >I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name > >Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not. > > > >My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was > >used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't > >be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and > >"Inkscape" to "bar". > > > >I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data. > >Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all > >information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data > >to a > >file of a picture or song. > > > >Regards, > >Ralf > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:19:01 -0400 > From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com> > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license > Message-ID: > <CADmgLayPBfc2iM0r8+wLb-V98zhYrE5jJ=pFDyfagC-g-_0eCQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Monday, September 21, 2015, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net');>> wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote: > > >why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ? > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because > > they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how to > > make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open the > > svg file. > > Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the > > ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license? > > > > $ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}' > > ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16 > > $ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright > > License: CC-BY-SA-2.5 > > > > [ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint > > stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of the > > copyright holders? [/ironic] > > > > Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I > > would make my own art public without a license. > > > > The other question was about meta data add by applications. I didn't > > miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to > > create a jpg, png, svg? > > > > For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program, > > DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender > > 150XL or what ever else was used. > > > > A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes > > > > $ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment > > Comment : Created with GIMP > > > > because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for recognition by > > the coders or do they help to fulfil laws? > > > > I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name > > Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not. > > > > My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was > > used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't > > be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and > > "Inkscape" to "bar". > > > > I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data. > > > No one will make you share anything. Is that the question? How to make a > file with no meta data? I think, it's safe to assume graphics are created > and/or edited in a graphics manipulation program. Identifying said program > really just does that. It identifies the tool. Advertising for said tool is > a great reason. Maybe the developers of gimp would have more to offer on > the decision to include metadata that identifies the tool. I'm +1 for > leaving that identifying information in by default. I'm sure we can discuss > constructively how to create a file in gimp or Linux, generally, without > said identifiers. > > > > > Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all > > information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data to a > > file of a picture or song. > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > > > -- > > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > -- > MH > > likethecow.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20150921/d83a46b8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:15:16 +0200 > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence@mousike.me> > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > Message-ID: > <1442909716.2427714.390195849.3B744A43@webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 09:20 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote: > > > On 09/17/2015 09:48 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > > Hmm, our ISO is not building. Problem seems to be: > > > > ------------------8<------------------- > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > > > python-enum : Conflicts: python-enum34 but 1.0.4-2 is to be installed > > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > > > -------------------8<------------------ > > > > > > > > This is usually a problem with a version mismatch. > > > > > Seems python-enum was made to conflict with python-enum34. This due to > python-enum not being available to laditools, if python-enum34 is also > installed. Not really a fix, but the situation renders all ladi tools > unusable, so I'm temporarily removing Gladish from our seeds so our ISOs > can build. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:16:03 +0200 > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence@mousike.me> > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > Message-ID: > <1442909763.2427990.390197121.528A40BD@webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Debian bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444 > New LP bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1498345 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:48:35 +0200 > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence@mousike.me> > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > Message-ID: > <1442918915.3136280.390304553.6AF080C7@webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote: > > The "conflicts" was added very recently: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444 > > > > I am not sure how the black listing works, but certainly enum & enum34 > > cannot live together. > > > > I suppose python-enum34 has to be kept, as there are quite few reverse > > dependencies. Bit of a shame though. We could always ask Alessio (Debian > > Multimedia Team) who seems to have forked laditools if he believes > > laditools could be made to work with enum34? > > > > Ah, sorry. You already were on top of the problem. > > If anyone wants to try to fix this for the sake of reintroducing ladi to > Ubuntu Studio, be my guest. > Either laditools needs to be able to import python-enum, if both > python-enum and python-enum34 are installed at the same time (and the > conflict can then be removed), or as Ross suggests, laditools needs to > be rewritten to support python-enum34. > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > End of ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50 > **************************************************** </div> </div></body> </html>