<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Kaj Ailomaa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zequence@mousike.me" target="_blank">zequence@mousike.me</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It's only natural for everyone here to have very little time, since none<br>
of us have this as a job. You haven't had any specific responsibilities,<br>
so nothing has been suffering because of absence. I would be a lot more<br>
absent too if I was in a different position.<br>
<br>
I'm counting on that some people may step up in their commitment if they<br>
need to fill a role such as project lead. However, it is good to<br>
understand the weight of the commitment. I'm thinking two years minimum,<br>
until the next LTS.<br>
<br>
And there's a difference between what you must do as a project lead, and<br>
what you can do.<br>
What you must do is make sure:<br>
* Releases are tested<br>
* Critical bugs are fixed (before release, usually)<br>
* Announcements for releases and other important things are done<br>
* Web page, wikis and social channels are maintained<br>
* Be available on at least email, but preferably also on IRC<br>
<br>
In order to fix bugs you need to have some understanding of the whole<br>
development procedure (launchpad, bug reports, how to analyze a problem,<br>
who to talk to for information, etc, etc), as well as knowledge of<br>
packaging. Otherwise, you will be relying on someone else to fix the<br>
problem for you.<br>
So, I'd rather see a project lead who is an able Debian packager, with<br>
upload rights to our own packages. This is where I am now, after many<br>
years of involvement, but I was never a software developer to begin<br>
with. This is just a side interest of mine. Len could do this, he'd just<br>
need to get upload rights.<br>
<br>
On top of that, there's a lot anyone can do, be he/she a project lead,<br>
or not. And, things not being obligatory, they often do not get done,<br>
unfortunately.<br>
<br>
Beyond that, I think it's also important to respect Debian Policy (in<br>
the case with packaging), Ubuntu policies, and whatever non-formalized<br>
policy that we have - which is something worth thinking about and<br>
writing down. There are a bunch of stuff that we follow, like how we<br>
select packages for our metas.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Same story here. I was hoping to become more active again, but work and family takes its toll and time and I have not been able. Everytime I think things are looking up something shows up filling that time slot.</div><div>It's sad to see you step down, Kaj, but you also talked about it years ago and it is time consuming so I understand you want to focus on other things for a while.</div><div><br></div><div>As already mentioned, Len is a good candidate. There is at the moment not that many that are active on a continuous basis. I agree with Mike's suggestion (read in the irc logs) to run a meeting or two and have some discussions. If not only to get people involved and perhaps a sense of team activity. I also see an opportunity to perhaps delegate some activities to other roles so not one person have to do loads of work.</div><div><br></div><div>/Jimmy</div></div><br></div></div>