Make it easy. Match Xubuntu's schedule - 3 years. <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 5, 2014 8:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: LTS proposal 14.04 (Mike Holstein) 2. Re: LTS proposal 14.04 (Jimmy Sj?lund) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:36:32 -0500 From: Mike Holstein <<a href="mailto:mikeh789@gmail.com">mikeh789@gmail.com</a>> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LTS proposal 14.04 Message-ID: <CADmgLayUmTwZGXYtn3QETEyXNyzzwr3m=<a href="mailto:N9km1a3G_Q4FXezNg@mail.gmail.com">N9km1a3G_Q4FXezNg@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Kaj Ailomaa <<a href="mailto:zequence@mousike.me">zequence@mousike.me</a>> wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 22:35 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > i would like to officially object and vote 3 years to match xubuntu. > > > > This makes sense, since if user needs to troubleshoot an Xfce4 issue, > > the user likely would send a request to <a href="mailto:xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> . > > The Xubuntu mailing list unlikely can provide good help for a Xubuntu > > version that is obsolet. > > > > > > This is not the kind of support we are talking about here. Only bug > fixing, which is not happening much even from the Xubuntu team three > years in a LTS release - if at all. > > And to holstein, please make an argument for why you object. Otherwise > we have no idea what the reasons to your objections are. > > sure.. my objections are the same as the ones in this thread from other community members. i think it looks odd for us to offer a longer support for xfce than xubuntu, the flagship xfce distro which is our immediate upstream. i think they have a larger, more active support community that we do, and have decided to do 3 years, and i agree with the reasoning those members have presented for the 3 year support decision. i disagree with the arguments for the 5 year support. im a long term support release user exclusively on my production machine, and im not requesting a longer support term. is anyone? if we say 5 years, we need to be able to support that, and i am not of the expertise to personally help facilitate bug fixing. think of ubuntustudio 10.04 and what versions of jack and ardour are running there, and what user experience one would have in audio production vs running 14.04. why would we not just suggest users upgrade? for features and support sake.. i'll stand behind whatever decision the community makes.. what is the plan for this decision? a proper meeting and a vote? a vote in a web service? are we going to hash it out here on the list? This is how I reason: > > * One person could handle bug fixing, in the remote possibility a > serious bug would appear three years in a LTS release, which I am > willing to do. > * Five years is better than three, though not a big plus, and probably > not something the majority of our users need. > * XFCE releases are supported for a very short time by upstream (I was > recently told), so this makes things a bit more difficult, but not > impossible at all to fix a bug after three years support. > > In the light of a few more details I've learned, and the fact that five > years support is not a big need for Ubuntu Studio, I'm changing my mind > and am willing to go with the three years support period. > > So, unless someone has very compelling reasons not do so, I'll propose > three years support for the 14.04 LTS release. > > Pragmatically speaking, we would have no problem doing five years > support, but again, it's not a big win. > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> > -- MH <a href="http://likethecow.com" target="_blank">likethecow.com</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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